• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            i’m fascinated by your exchange in this thread:

            it’s common knowledge that biden has extended trump’s draconian immigration laws; but you still needed a source for it? or was it that you didn’t want to believe it? is it because you don’t think biden would do something like this?

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              it’s common knowledge that biden has extended trump’s draconian immigration laws;

              Do you have a source for that?

              I generally don’t take things random strangers say on the internet at face value.

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                i’m trying to understand how you get your information since it’s literally on the tv news channels and on the radio and online; it’s even a 3 second google search way and chatgpt will give you an answer in less than a second, but you still wanted a source.

                you’ve demonstrated a willingness to adjust your view with provided with evidence; but it’s on a topic with so much evidence i genuinely curious at how it didn’t reach you.

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                    i think i owe you an apology; i read through my comments and i got an accusatory tone from them and i think that’s what turned you off from engaging. i’m sorry.

                    when i asked if you’re not paying attention, it wasn’t an indictment on you. i think that 95% of americans don’t pay attention and I mentioned it because i thinking that you might be an ordinary person in this country.

                    the reason i pursued this digression was to understand you because i was always under the assumption that if a political talking point was parroted in network tv and all other media then it would automatically become common knowledge.

                    you’ve disabused me of that assumption and I wanted to understand more because the people who would refused to believe this border policy exists are generally the same people who refused to update their views when presented with evidence to the contrary and the interaction i commented on proves to me that you’re not like that so i was hoping you could educate me.

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                    in this case it’s nbc, abc, cbs, google, bing, yahoo, reuters, new york times, the guardian, etc. not some obscure source.

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              It feels like people in this country focus on labeling organizations and people as good or evil.

              If the Republicans are evil, then the Democrats must be the good guys.

              What we should be doing is labeling actions as evil and enforce punishments for those who do these actions; regardless of who they are affiliated with.

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        The fact that those children are still separated from their parents?
        Last I checked, Trump isn’t president anymore.

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      It’s actually still happening under Biden.

      Its a bit more nuanced than that. That’s like saying “people who wear seat belts still die”. Well yes, that’s a fact, but intentionally or not, you’re making a claim without context and painting a picture in the mind of others that doesn’t reflect reality.

      Under the Trump administration’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy, separations were calculated and deliberate.

      The goal of zero tolerance was to criminally prosecute all adult migrants who entered the country illegally. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would detain parents and transfer their children into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

      “Cruelty was the point of that policy,” Langarica said.

      Biden rescinded the policy in January 2021. Yet, three years later, more than 1,400 families remain separated, according to the latest update from the Family Reunification Task Force.

      The report argues that separations have happened for decades, but under the Biden administration they are a result of bureaucratic processes, lack of transparency and accountability — not purposeful cruelty.

      Source: https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/07/29/report-reveals-migrant-family-separations-continue-under-biden

      You can find the latest Family Reunification Task Force progress reports here: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/family-reunification-task-force-progress-reports