I would like to have a real discussion on how to prevent an authoritative communist economy or one without the present of a dictatorship. The major reason (in my opinion) why communism doesn’t work is because of greed and power, to many individuals want to manipulate and control the populace. How can we prevent a dictatorship rule and still have genuine communism. Even if you actually broke up cities, towns, municipals into “Communes” you still have the human emotion of jealously and selfishness. I love the idea of Communism and I have wrote a ton on the subject but I can’t come up with the idea of “protection” from itself.
I like how Godfree Roberts stated this https://www.quora.com/profile/Godfree-Roberts
You cannot because the basis of communism relies on being a dictatorship, the proletariat oppressing the bourgeoisie, this means there is a State and therefore it is authoritative. That is the main difference with anarchism, the fact that according to them authority is inherently malign, but according to Marxism, it is necessary in order to prevent the International Bourgeoisie from invading you until you achieve the final stage of socialism i.e. communism/anarchism/anarchocommunism, or whatever you want to call it, where this dictatorship is eliminated because you have achieved a classless society. Technically speaking, there has not been any communist society, only dictatorships of the proletariat and the problem with greed (while exists, as we have seen in the examples of Khrushchev’s “de-Stalinization” and Neo-liberal policies and Gorbachev’s dissolution of the USSR) can be solved by forcing the high members and bureaucrats of the party that have charges in office to be educated Marxists that have an understanding of the different branches of Marxism, as I believe they do in China.
the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a state is a good guy with a state
I understand were you are coming from and I agree. However one of the major points of a communist state for freedom for everyone. I think there could be a way to have enough check and balances (Not an example of a republic) even if we needed to have someone or group in power. My thinking is the way (kind of) how contracts in a blockchain are created. The society would most have to be automated but then you get into the realm of who’s writing the code.
However one of the major points of a communist state for freedom for everyone.
“freedom” has no intrinsic value in itself. Freedom to do what? Being free from what?
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.”
Stalin
Maybe I’m more referring to an “Anarchic” system. Blockchain I mean as a way of preventing corruption using automation and contracts. Freedom I am referring to everyones’s right to free healthcare , education, shelter, and food. Communes , individual places like towns and cities and whatnot. Using a “contract” through blockchain to only have a consensus based on the rules governing those communes. Using a system like that makes it much harder for corruption to intertwine into the system itself. Take Stalin in Russia , making Ukrainians provide all the food. So I think technology if done correctly could really make communism an actual proof of concept of course the technology would have to expand to keep up with ideas and logical reasoning but I do believe it could work. The determining factor for having communism is for humans to be a “community” to work together based on a classes system.
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I said its an idea not a perfect solution, and you don’t have to have huge wastage of resources to run a blockchain. I see all these posts on Reddit, forums, 3chan and other sites. Not a single one of them are actually talking about any kind solutions only that they want communism. That’s why I posted this is the first place, to talk about solutions to brainstorm ideas not just to tear my idea apart lol. Also you can enforce contracts via control systems like industrial control systems. Also blockchain doesn’t mean “currency” , its way to make sure nothing can be changed it immutable. Class collaborationism??? On my lemmygrad.ml??? – yep you have to learn by past mistakes right.
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Great post , thank you for this. I will keep working on this idea. The reason “why decentralized” is because if its “Central” I can take over it , decentralized meaning I can’t especially using a blockchain or and immutable database.
I do not understand the point you are making in this comment, could you be more specific? There is not freedom for everyone, though, the bourgeoisie needs to be oppressed; criminals and such go to jail, there’s a penal system for a reason; it’s hard to know what you mean by freedom. And also I do not understand your comparison to blockchain, do you mean you want there to be a democratic system for decision making? Because if so that exists in different variations in every dictatorship of the proletarian State, here’s an example with the USSR:
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