Lemmy is very left leaning. Anyone you convince to vote for Stein here is most likely going to be taking votes away from Harris. That makes it easier for trump to win.
What the green party needs to be doing right now it’s getting involved in the presidential race beyond letting people know they exist. Where they can make real change is by taking local and state elections.
Stein is just not going to win this race, but the green party could definitely take some mayoral positions, representatives, hell maybe even a governor. Why isn’t the green party focusing in places they can make a difference?
FWIW,
wp:List of Green politicians who have held office in the United States
If Harris is elected, I suppose she won’t make great compromises on her promises, and perhaps she intends to do something major about Gaza, but isn’t saying anything before 5 November as to not frighten the moderates, centrists, and Israel-sympathizers—maybe.
There’s more to this election than Gaza. There’s a lot of other damage trump wants to do. Yeah I want Israel to stop, but it’s not the only issue people care about.
The lives of a (relative) few American women who miscarry, a few depressed American TGs committing suicide, and several American teens who die in school shootings are worth more than 40 000 Gazan lives—but again, voting for Stein is a vote for Trump because the margins are thin—way too thin—because Biden, Harris, Walz, and company couldn’t widen them enough in a few months—or a few years in the case of Biden and Harris—to allow for people to vote their hearts.
In 1980 John Anderson got a bit over 5.7 million votes or a bit over 6.6% but a bit over half the popular vote still went to Reagan—and let’s not talk about California where if 2.5 million who voted for Biden instead voted for Trump, or if 5 million of them voted 3rd parties, the state would still remain blue—if you are Californian you should still vote for Harris—because something-something vote-splitting something-something-not-gonna-win something-something non-career-politician-is-a-grifter.
Personally, if I was American I wouldn’t vote for either Stein or West because both are too close to Putin, but FFS, the arguments by the Democrats, and occasionally Republicans, against voting 3rd parties are stupid.
Yeah, but Jill Stein is not any lesser evil.
Agreed: that would be Harris.
A third party has literally no chance to win in our system, and nobody gives a single fuck about the miniscule amount of votes they do get - you’re not moving any metrics, or sending any messages, or taking any stands. All you’re doing is helping the worse option win.
So, if you truly hate Palestinians, then by all means vote Stein. If you want to see Ukraine taken over, then please vote Stein. If you want to see our country start murdering every version of queer people, then you really should vote Stein. That’s all you’re going to get for it.
Whether you are willing to see the truth or not, a vote for a third party is still a vote for genocide.
Perhaps you’re right.
With Harris, Palestinians will be mass-murdered.
With Trump, Palestinians will be mass-murdered.
Either way, Palestinians will be mass-murdered:
and there’s nothing we can do about it.
lol no.