• Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    I don’t hate Democrats, I just disagree with them.

    I hate Republicans, and will side with Democrats if it can keep Republicans out of power.

    • TrueTomBombadil@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      Why don’t you hate the party currently aiding a genocide? Seems worthy of hatred unless that’s not one of the things you disagree with them about.

      • Clent@lemmy.world
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        2 hours ago

        Classic trolley problem and you have failed it.

        You want to hate the guy for pulling the lever that leads to fewer deaths at the expense of allowing the one who will ignore the lever and allow for the most death.

        • TrueTomBombadil@lemmy.world
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          31 minutes ago

          I didn’t say I wouldn’t pull the lever. I asked why you wouldn’t hate the person who tied everyone to the tracks. Even if you pull the lever and kill fewer I would despise the person who set up the problem at all.

  • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    The problem in conversations is that there’s a serious dissonance stemming from different individuals (forget about groups even) defining “lesser evil” as well as what constitutes “hate” and “condemnation.”

    The issue in any event is one that people familiar with the space are accustomed to – leftists are, almost without fail, absolutists unable to conceive of policy because of their conviction in the correctness of their esoteric political philosophies. It’s a group where second-order thinking is heresy because it may call into question a talking point which has been adopted as doctrine and which one must be seen as espousing lest they lose their status as a member of the group.

    There’s a reason that progressives have been so successful around the world, while leftists are stuck posting in insular online communities or preaching to the already converted when in public.

    • Doom@ttrpg.network
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      13 hours ago

      Hear hear idealists crumble when the rubber meets the road. They find it difficult to live in reality without an all or nothing kinda mindset