People like OP atleast seem to be the ones that will actually resist Trump fascism in case he wins the election or in case he stages a successful coup. I hope all the ones that vote for Harris will be ready to strike, revolt or show solidarity in case Trump wins.
Wait, I thought, “What are you even voting for? The election is Trump versus Trump-lite-but-female. Trumpism will win the election either way.”
Would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won, or staged a coup? Will we need to revolt? I thought the two candidates were both Trumpism, and that’s why we’re not voting. Right? You need to talk to OP about this. I agree that Trump would be a massive problem and we would need to resist him if he wins, but OP is strongly against that idea.
He doesn’t even want to vote against Trump. Surely if you try to talk to him about strikes or revolts he’ll laugh in your face, because what’s the difference, and so on.
Sorry but I dont have the same image of OP as you and from my interactions with them I believe they not only would revolt with us against Trump, they would revolt with us against any injustice.
That is in every single respect not an answer to my question. Would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won?
OP, would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won?
I’m not trying to say you shouldn’t also revolt with us against injustice that isn’t related to Trump. I’m just saying that you are talking like Trump would be a problem that OP would spring into action against, and I’m saying OP’s not springing into action at all, in fact he’s saying things like, “You’re powerless. The fascists already won,” to people who are suggesting springing into action, and repeatedly posting memes asking them not to spring into action, in this one specific sense.
Maybe we can call voting a “flash revolt,” where you only have to be there for 20-30 minutes, it’s almost completely safe, and it can produce a lasting measurable impact extending for years, if enough people do it for those 20 minutes. Do you think he’d revolt with us against Trump, if we framed it that way?
I asked three questions, and one of them was, “Right?” That one was rhetorical, sort of. I was looking for confirmation if I understood things correctly.
For your reference, the other two are:
Would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won?
Will we need to revolt?
How many are in a dozen where you live? Also, would Trump winning the election be an urgent problem?
From what I understand, you are asking me to advocate for OPs perspective which is pointless and I am not going to do that. I would recommend asking OP directly and if OP doesnt want to answer then you have to live with that.
Also I would answer those questions with yes but just as I said I am not OP.
You’re the one who intervened in the discussion to say that OP stood ready to resist Trump, and throw some shade at these voting people, implying that they might not be willing to resist Trump. I didn’t chase you down demanding explanations of OP’s motivations.
If you say we need to resist Trump if he does come to power, then we can agree on that, at least. How you get from that to overtly advocating for not voting, I have no idea, but good luck with that. I hope your not voting and hoping plan goes well and Trump doesn’t manage to seize power.
I’m not trying to be argumentative with you, now that you’ve finally admitted that Trump could be a problem, because like I said, I agree. But everything you’re advocating as a strategy of stopping Trump from coming to power makes absolutely no sense to me. That’s why I’m talking to you this way.
OP seems to have dipped from the conversation, which seems wise. Because what could he say?
throw some shade at these voting people, implying that they might not be willing to resist Trump.
Well last time Trump won the voting people did not resist at large. Instead they waited around 4 years, voted him out and then again did not do much for 4 years again. What makes you believe they will resist in any meaningful way this time?
I hope your not voting and hoping plan
This just shows you are actually not engaging with me but with a straw person. This is something I never said and you know it.
But everything you’re advocating as a strategy of stopping Trump from coming to power makes absolutely no sense to me.
Which strategies you are referring to? I did not mention any specific ones in our discussions. It again feels like you are actually engaging with your perception of me and not actually my positions.
People like OP atleast seem to be the ones that will actually resist Trump fascism in case he wins the election or in case he stages a successful coup. I hope all the ones that vote for Harris will be ready to strike, revolt or show solidarity in case Trump wins.
Wait, I thought, “What are you even voting for? The election is Trump versus Trump-lite-but-female. Trumpism will win the election either way.”
Would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won, or staged a coup? Will we need to revolt? I thought the two candidates were both Trumpism, and that’s why we’re not voting. Right? You need to talk to OP about this. I agree that Trump would be a massive problem and we would need to resist him if he wins, but OP is strongly against that idea.
He doesn’t even want to vote against Trump. Surely if you try to talk to him about strikes or revolts he’ll laugh in your face, because what’s the difference, and so on.
Sorry but I dont have the same image of OP as you and from my interactions with them I believe they not only would revolt with us against Trump, they would revolt with us against any injustice.
That is in every single respect not an answer to my question. Would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won?
OP, would there be some kind of urgent problem if Trump won?
I’m not trying to say you shouldn’t also revolt with us against injustice that isn’t related to Trump. I’m just saying that you are talking like Trump would be a problem that OP would spring into action against, and I’m saying OP’s not springing into action at all, in fact he’s saying things like, “You’re powerless. The fascists already won,” to people who are suggesting springing into action, and repeatedly posting memes asking them not to spring into action, in this one specific sense.
Maybe we can call voting a “flash revolt,” where you only have to be there for 20-30 minutes, it’s almost completely safe, and it can produce a lasting measurable impact extending for years, if enough people do it for those 20 minutes. Do you think he’d revolt with us against Trump, if we framed it that way?
Which of your dozens of questions that somehow are not really questions and instead are just rhetorical devices to get your point across?
I asked three questions, and one of them was, “Right?” That one was rhetorical, sort of. I was looking for confirmation if I understood things correctly.
For your reference, the other two are:
How many are in a dozen where you live? Also, would Trump winning the election be an urgent problem?
From what I understand, you are asking me to advocate for OPs perspective which is pointless and I am not going to do that. I would recommend asking OP directly and if OP doesnt want to answer then you have to live with that.
Also I would answer those questions with yes but just as I said I am not OP.
You’re the one who intervened in the discussion to say that OP stood ready to resist Trump, and throw some shade at these voting people, implying that they might not be willing to resist Trump. I didn’t chase you down demanding explanations of OP’s motivations.
If you say we need to resist Trump if he does come to power, then we can agree on that, at least. How you get from that to overtly advocating for not voting, I have no idea, but good luck with that. I hope your not voting and hoping plan goes well and Trump doesn’t manage to seize power.
I’m not trying to be argumentative with you, now that you’ve finally admitted that Trump could be a problem, because like I said, I agree. But everything you’re advocating as a strategy of stopping Trump from coming to power makes absolutely no sense to me. That’s why I’m talking to you this way.
OP seems to have dipped from the conversation, which seems wise. Because what could he say?
Well last time Trump won the voting people did not resist at large. Instead they waited around 4 years, voted him out and then again did not do much for 4 years again. What makes you believe they will resist in any meaningful way this time?
This just shows you are actually not engaging with me but with a straw person. This is something I never said and you know it.
Which strategies you are referring to? I did not mention any specific ones in our discussions. It again feels like you are actually engaging with your perception of me and not actually my positions.