• apostrofail@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    I support.

    Æsþetically it looks dense & unique like ð rare, sunderly dental fricative sounds English makes. “ð” isn’t historic since Old English really didn’t boðer ƿiþ separating voiced vs. unvoiced dental, but ðat’s okay since our broðers up norþ in Iceland use ðese 2 characters in ð manner you prescribe. I like ð mirroring a as ð single-character definite vs. indefinite article too. As someone around ESL (English as a second language) speakers, it can help ðem not only knoƿ hƿich sound to make hƿile preventing silly slip-ups like former US president Donald Trump saying Þighland instead of Thailand—but it ƿould be obvious if our ƿritten form ƿasn’t forced to drop þorn for overloading “y” or “th” for ð printing press’ limitations not built for our tongue.

    Before computers or printing presses, ƿe didn’t have spellcheck—so folks spelled ƿords as ðey sound. Having less digraphs favoring more single characters is considered more ergonomic; Dvorak, ð keyboard layout, has “ht” on the home roƿ of ð dominant hand to shoƿ just hoƿ dominant ðis digraph truly is for typing English.

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      9 hours ago

      Look, english spelling is already a mess for me to parse (non-native speaker). If y’all start using this other alphabet, I’m just not gonna bother reading.

      “Oh no! Anyway” kind of comment, but I must protest somehow.

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        Yeah, I think this is a pretty shitty way to behave on a website with a large number of non-native English speakers.

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          Do you think it’s shitty for black people in America to use African American English dialect on public forums where non-native speakers could see it? Same deal, just different levels of familiarity. Nothing is forcing anyone to engage with this post, but a lot of people seem to feel a strong enough desire to enforce social conformity that they go out of their way to complain about someone doing something different.

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            No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.

            The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.

            Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.

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              No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.

              I couldn’t read OP’s post so I looked it up and now I can. All it takes is a little effort, which if you’re not willing to expend you can simply move on.

              The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.

              Sure African American English (which is not just slang, but an entire dialect with a different set of grammatical rules) is common and recognizable to most native English speakers now, but there was a time when it was just as inscrutable to them as OP’s post.

              Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.

              I get that you think you’re being progressive by getting offended on others’ behalf, but all you’re really doing is using that ethnic group’s struggle as a rhetorical device to shame me for having a dissenting opinion. I am comparing them because they are alike in a way that is relevant to my point, not because I think they are identical.

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                I get that you think you’re being progressive by getting offended on others’ behalf

                What the ever-loving fuck are you talking about?

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                  I vaguely recall you saying you were Jewish in an earlier comment, if you’re actually black then I apologize. If not then perhaps you can try asking someone who is African American if they find what I said “highly offensive.”

                  You see OP’s use of Old English as worthy of derision, so you interpreted my comparison as belittling towards AME. I don’t share your aversion to esoteric forms of expression, so my comparison is entirely without malice.

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                    Yes. I am Jewish. And being from a minority ethnic group, one with more than one language that has developed due to centuries of forced isolation and relocation (Yiddish and Ladino), I know what it’s like for people of privilege to take your particular ethnic language and use it to make points that have nothing to do with it.

                    It has nothing to do with “being progressive” and everything to do with having been in this position myself, so I know why it’s offensive.

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      10 hours ago

      This was a little easier than reading finnegans Wake but not much. Definitely more humorous though. Thank you.