Gizmodo filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the FTC to get complaints sent to the federal agency about crypto scams that pretend to be affiliated with Musk. We obtained 247 complaints, all filed between Feb. and Oct. of this year, and they’re filled with stories of people who believed they were watching ads for authentic crypto investments sanctioned by Musk on social media.
The ads sometimes featured the names of Musk’s various companies, like SpaceX, Tesla, and X, while other times they utilized Musk’s association with neo-fascist presidential candidate Donald Trump.
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Some people in the complaints believed they were talking directly with Musk, a sadly common story that has popped up in news reports before. But they weren’t talking with Musk, of course. They were communicating with scammers engaging in what’s called pig butchering—the name for a type of fraud popularized in the mid-2010s where scammers extract as much money as possible through flattery and promises of tremendous profits if the victim just “invests” where they’re told.
Who taught this Tardigrade to play the Cello? Its all wrong. He’s not going to get any notes out of it playing it under the bridge.
He’s doing the best he can, show a little respect.
I want a water bear as a pet so bad but the fact that they’re microscopic might be an issue
the fact that they’re microscopic might be an issue
Why? All that means is you may already have one without knowing it.
YOU’RE SO RIGHT OH MY GOD
I mean it makes sense to target these people. If you’re stupid enough to believe the shit Musk or Trump spout, you’re also stupid enough to not see these very obvious scams.
there was a story here recently about a lot of scamming happening on truth social. so yeah.
There’s a simple explanation for this. Elon Musk fans are fucking idiots.
They might also just be the target demographic for pig butchering.
- Middle Class
- Over 40
- Conservative Male (lonely)
- Greedy / Self-serving
But yeah there is definitely correlation with low cognitive ability.
You also have to be the sort of person that genuinely believes you can get something for nothing. You have to have a relatively low IQ for that to be the case.
You also have to have a relatively low IQ to continue to listen to anything Musk says, so the group are Self-Selecting.
You need to believe that you can get ahead in society by being smarter than the competition, instead of just being luckier.
They are naive if anything.
Not really. You have to be the sort of person who understands that investment works and not how it works or why it works and most importantly why you aren’t going to hit the jackpot on it even though some people do. They’re the standard marks for an investment con. So yeah they’re stupid and self selected, but the mechanism of action is important because it shows us how to help people avoid falling for it not just letting us feel superior to those who do.
I feel like everyone understands the basic concept behind investment. But I also feel like pretty much everyone knows that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.
Whenever you invest in something it’s pretty obvious what the other party’s motivations are. If you cannot see how the other party could possibly benefit, then it’s probably because it’s a scam.
Like their master
Maybe a hot take, but those currently into crypto and Musk aren’t that bright.
That is the coldest take I’ve ever heard.
Yep - It was found in the frozen food section
Tossed it in the microwave and here we are
Speak for yourself. Personally I turned $12K into $36K when the US government allowed bitcoin to be traded on the stock market as an ETF. Yet everyone here keeps trying to tell me that it’s a scam. Which is weird, because I bought a car, an OLED TV, and built a $4000 gaming machine with my “fake internet money”, as everyone here likes to call it.
All this stuff I bought with my earnings seems real to me. But hey, keep downvoting and calling me an idiot, like you always do, when I bring up the point that not everyone is stupid enough to lose money with crypto.
Okay, hypothetically let’s imagine someone who is a Bitcoin trading god. Every peak he’s there unloading his bags, every dip and he’s buying hundreds of Bitcoins. This guy turns thousands into millions and millions into billions. Huge success story right?
But here’s the rub, where is all this money coming from? The money isn’t coming out of thin air, it’s not coming from the crypto exchanges, otherwise they’d go bankrupt, it’s not coming from the value of any goods or services produced. The answer is that all that money is coming from other people. Someone has to be buying at the peak thinking it’ll go “To the moon” and getting burned, or maybe the need to pay off some hackers cryptolocker. The same for the dip maybe someone needs real money right now and must sell despite the loss, or maybe someone is panic selling thinking the price will go lower. Our hypothetical trading god hasn’t really created any money or anything of value at all, they’ve just moved money from the losers in the Bitcoin to his own wallet.
This makes you the equivalent to one of the spokespeople from near the top of a pyramid scheme taking about how this is one of the legit pyramid schemes, because you’ve earned so much money! Ignoring of course that all of their money means that someone somewhere needed to lose that money first.
However, I suppose at the end of the day, you did take twenty four thousand dollars from crypto morons, so I suppose that’s kinda noble in a way.
Sure, the scams like pig butchering look dumb from the outside, but never think shit like this can’t happen to you. There’s TONs of ways scammers can trick you, but usually they’ll seek out vulnerable people. Sure the gullible are vulnerable, but just because you’re not vulnerable right now, doesn’t mean you won’t be at some point in the future. Desperation can make scholars into fools.
Can agree. I used to think I was savvy enough to avoid getting scammed, until I followed a link that a person who was pretending to be a mechanic gave me to purchase parts for my car. I ended up spending $1300 on parts that didn’t exist.
Long story short, I eventually got my money back after arguing with my bank’s fraud department for several months. I wish I could afford a lawyer so I could sue this guy for pain and suffering + the thousands I spent in Uber/Lyft/Waymo getting to work while I didn’t have a car.
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while other times they utilized Musk’s association with neo-fascist presidential candidate Donald Trump.
I love that they called him what he is. I wish more in media would.
When these scams first started featuring Musk, it was clear that he was a common lead because of his wealth. Pretty much just “Get rich quick, and be rich like [insert rich guy here]”. I’ve seen scams in the past with Buffet, Gates, or Bezos on it before, because the kind of people who fall for a get-rich-quick scam are the kinds of people who idolize wealth.
But now it seems that Musk fans are a uniquely exploitable group. They are easily fooled by wild claims, and quickly subscribe to magical thinking. At this point, they’re just low-hanging fruit.
This is pretty sad.
I have a number of elderly relatives. The one thing I keep telling them is if they ever get approached, to contact their kids, or check with another family member before responding. So far, there haven’t been any problems.
But I heard an in-law’s parents in a different state lost a big chunk of money to one of these scams and may now lose their home.
My elderly dad called me a few years ago to let me know that we’d have to change up all the security stuff for our family phone plan because he gotten scammed. He said he got a call from someone claiming to be a representative of the phone company who said they’d like to lower our monthly bill. I stopped him and said “well, that should have been your first clue… when in the last decade of us using them has that ever happened? When was the last time our bill went down instead of up?”
Who would think that Musk fans are gullible people susceptible to scams?
Tech bros are tech broing?!
Skill issue lmao
SKISSUE says chat lol
Can we take NASA contract away from SpaceX? Let’s bring it back in house. Space should not be for profit .
Just want to share that NASA has one of the highest ROIs of any government agency.
I want to increase NASAs budget and go to space.
But then how will billionaires get to say they’re literally thinking of the big picture because they got to go on a brief space joy ride?
Arg
If only they had a safe place to put their money that was protected by law and insured against losses.
Protected‽ Then their exes can get it for child support!
First world comment.
The only people buying into crypto scams are westerners anyway because no one else has the money
Do you think the people who fell for these scams aren’t?
Schadenfreude popcorn 🍿 time.
A lot of the people falling for these scams are straight up mentally ill or disabled.
It’s funny to think of some blowhard yacht guy getting fleeced. Less funny to see an adult with Down’s Syndrome or Schizophrenia or Dementia or a child who got hold of a parent’s credit card and sucked in by some Mr. Beast tier grift get played.
Citation?
The article said nothing about intellectual disability, but it did suggest some older people contextually from their complaints. Here’s an actual citation from one of the complaints that I think sums it up perfectly:
Now, i’m an intelligent [person], at least I consider myself that to be. I am a huge fan of elon musk and tesla. I only bit into this because it did sound too good to be true.
It’s just how basic demographics analysis works. There’s a lot more people who are struggling with mental health problems/mental disabilities that make them more prone to believing scams. And so many games and storefronts use dark patters to make it extremely easy to make undesired purchases or have no safeguards to prevent children from using their parents credit card for purchases.
All these kinds of people vastly outnumber dumb finance bros on their yachts making stupid money decisions.
Don’t have empathy. It’s not allow
I’m so glad they’re losing it to these scams instead of to leon.
The people that end up cashing in from those scams are the same people that end up supporting Trump & Musk.
