How exactly do Democrats block movement back to the left? What does it even mean to move “back” to the left when the goals of the left are things we literally have never had before?
It amazes me that so many people are oblivious to how far things have moved towards the right and towards authoritarianism over the past 50 years. Sure, we’ve inched forwards on a handful of social issues, but corporate power, the prison system, the military industrial complex, privacy rights, and the social safety net are all in much worse shape today than 50 years ago. “The era of big government is over” came from Bill Clinton, not Reagan or Bush. Income inequality has soared thanks to both Republican and Democratic policy. Republicans have been worse by a long shot, but they both have moved us in the same direction.
You want Trump? This is how you get Trump
I don’t think there are any difference between US government ghouls. The presidents there aren’t kings and their permanent state is permanent. I don’t believe Americans are participants in their government, I think they are victims
Just don’t come whining to me when he bombs Mexico as he’s been promising. You helped.
Don’t worry I would never speak to you. There is only one way to stop people like Trump and it isn’t an election. Stop trying to guilt people online and do it.
Ranked choices, bitches.
To be clear this isn’t Russian anti-American propaganda.
It is Mexican.
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If you replace “democrat” with “mainstream liberals”, and “republicans” with “conservatives”, then you got a meme about politics in general in most of the developed world.
I don’t like them, but it was still heartbreaking to see Demokratikus Koalíció, a mainstream liberal party that was probably the most progressive in the whole Hungarian opposition block at that point, is cozying up to anti-trans ideas.
Fuck yeah
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¡Saludos desde Albuquerque!
Innuendo Studios has a good video on this in their alt right playbook series. Republicans will gladly appeal to the far right, Democrats want to distance themselves from the left as much as possible and are instead focused on also appealing to the right…
Ultimately, while a lot of the parties policies are different on the surface, Democrats still win when Republicans are in power because they’re part of the same class, hoarding wealth works for both sides. Democrats seemingly only exist to make the system vageuly stomachable (is that even a word?) to the rest of America.
Palatable
As opposed to palpatinable, which is appearing to be democratic until being hit by lightning and then going all in for unlimited power
Thanks! I knew there was a real word out there
Support and vote for progressive candidates in primaries.
Tried this with Bernie… The DNC rigged the primary… first goal needs to be to take over the Dem party. Which would actually be pretty easy since like 5 people show up to those elections, but only insiders really ever know about them.
If you’re curious, every state, and many towns/counties have their own Democrat party… Find yours, figure out who the shills are and get like 10 people to vote for you to replace them during their next elections. The DNC leadership is elected by the state Dems, so once you’ve taken over your state you can start taking over the DNC.
What primary was that exactly. I already voted for her, but let’s be real about how the current center right candidate is the only choice.
Local and state primaries are a thing, and local politics probably affect you more anyway. It’s better to start a movement from the bottom up rather than top down.
What primaries?
There aren’t any right now, but sign up to PV so you can get notified to do real change.
Ew I’m not a progressive; and what part of the 2020 primaries did you sleep through?
The Dems will literally cancel primaries in order to get the corporate choice in office.
Ohai!
I’m glad someone improved it though, I was on my phone when I did it and couldn’t get the finger to overlap the sign!
Thank you for the memes to steal
At your service, comrade 🫡
So what you’re saying is that we only need to push down on the Democrats lever and we’ll fly to the left
Actually, yes. Put pressure on the democrats to change instead of just voting them through, that is a start.
I don’t think anyone here said just vote for them and don’t put pressure on them. I’m fact I’m pretty sure everyone says exactly that
jesus you people are so literal, sorry that I wasn’t clear enough for you. It isn’t “just” the people on lemmy either it is all of the Americans, and no I don’t think Americans, in general, are going to do fuck all besides “just” voting, if they even do that - a really small percentage of people even bother to show up or registered and have enough time off from their jobs from what I understand. The non voters aren’t people who support Palestine for the most part, it is horribly exploited and dis-educated people who don’t care at all.
I don’t know why you think you have to say any of this
I am allowed to say whatever the fuck I want about whatever the fuck I feel like talking about. I was raised in the USA but that isn’t even relevant. If you don’t want to hear it why don’t you put your head in the sand like all the other Americans.
You have horrible reading comprehension
I wrote something mean here but it is not worth it, I’m blocking you instead because I don’t think you add any value to the internet
Voting Harris is the right thing to do from a lesser evil standpoint. I think everyone should, but I understand those who won’t from an anti-genocide standpoint and won’t blame them for it, unless they vote Trump, that’s unacceptable. You might as well write in Bernie if you’re thinking Green, they got the same chance of winning. Ultimately, it’s on Harris and her campaign strategy for failing to part from Biden on Israel. They are taking that risk, which I think is very dumb and dangerous considering the sentiment of voters, it’s on them whether it pans out or not.
What’s far more important is for everyone to vote down ballot. Find out which options support progressive policies and vote for them.
To be clear though, it’s not a “fake” two party system, it’s a very real systematically entrenched duopoly.
And I doubt most of us are “duped”. We know this is how it works, and the best strategy is still to keep butting back up against the catch until we have reach the conditions to lift it. Every Dem victory is like a pause button on the rightward slide while we boost candidates for the next primary.
I don’t even live in the states anymore and I still vote. The rightward slide affects the whole world, can you imagine what will happen to Ukraine if Trump wins? And after Ukraine, it’s war in the Baltics. And then there’s Taiwan. And South Korea is probably about to be in trouble too, I’m sensing.
I have full clarity. When the devil is going to take you unless you play the game, you keep playing. He knows you know it’s rigged, but you keep playing until maybe you can pull a fast one. It’s the only hope.
You realize this is an argument in favor of voting for Democrats, right? Real progress doesn’t happen in a single day in November, but that day in November can stop things from getting worse while real progress happens elsewhere.
That’s right. People don’t realize that Democrats keep moving to the right because when they are in power they have such thin margins that you depend on votes from the likes of Manchin and Sinema.
I guess that is a take if you can’t read and comprehend what is actually happening. This is showing how all you have is to go more and more fascist with every day with no let up. You can’t make progress because your duopoly only ever moves right. To be clear I don’t care who you vote for, your elections or anything about the shit hole Yankee empire.
Either we’re doomed and voting for the Democrats does no harm, or it’s possible to pull ourselves out of this spiral and voting for the Democrats could buy us the time we need to do it. I can’t see the future, I don’t truly know which of us is right, and even if I’m right and it is possible that doesn’t necessarily mean we will succeed, but as long as there is even the tiniest shred of uncertainty then it is worth giving ourselves every possible chance. The most powerful military in the world falling fully to fascism will go global, and it will end with a death toll unlike anything the world has ever seen. I’d rather not let that happen, if I have a choice. I may not. It may be too late, but even if I wanted to run, where would I be safe from the US? There is no such place.
ok sure buddy, good luck with your rigged elections. If I were you I’d be armed to the teeth and forming a militia with like minded people or making plans to get the fuck out of there, literally anywhere, before the fascists take full control. Fascists don’t care about elections it is totally a joke to them. Fascists will push the country to a crisis and seize power, like Hitler did, and Mussolini did, neither of whom won an election.
but even if I wanted to run, where would I be safe from the US? There is no such place.
Classic USian narcissism. Literally the entire rest of the world is going to resist and we will be victorious. Luckily for us Americans are for the most part completely incompetent.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. I don’t believe the US is invincible or will beat the whole rest of the world or anything like that. In the end fascists always fail, because they’re not actually good at running countries.
Be real though. Just because the US isn’t invincible doesn’t mean the US military can’t choose to eradicate any one location on Earth and no one can stop them. All that air and naval power means nowhere is safe from a strike. And that’s before we start talking about giving a fully fascist government access to a cartoonishly oversized nuclear arsenal. When things go badly enough for them, there is a very real chance they hit the F you button and take everyone else down with them.
Also, let’s be real again, not everyone is going to be on the other side. The US has a lot of allies, and it’s not the only place where fascism is on the rise. The capacity for destruction is like nothing the world has ever seen, and I especially wouldn’t want to be in a place like Mexico, given the proximity and all the fascist propaganda about Mexicans.
The American system is designed to block you from changing it. So unless you are willing to run you are going to die.
You’re the one advocating for doing nothing.
You are advocating for working within a broken system. You are going to die unless you get your head out of your ass. I’m also blocking you because I don’t believe you have anything worthwhile to read. Get out now before its too late.
Fuck the USA.
Classic case of open minded, forward thinking from the mods here. Can’t take an open discussion about how to do what we all want if it even calls into question current methods. Where does that fall on some sort of political compass thing? Left-> authoritarian?
Before my comment got deleted, the response was “I’m not here to tell you how to accomplish anything.”
…why not? Do we not all want the same thing? If we do, discussing our tactics and a showing a little fuckin solidarity across borders are…kinda important dontcha think? But that does go to prove my original point, that this post isn’t about how to do what we all want, how to solve problems we all see. It’s about patting yourself on the back. We all need to be a little better.
You’re right, I’m here to post memes about how the United States sucks. There are no answers, the US is on a terminal decline to fascism and you’re the one demanding someone posting memes tell you an answer. The answer is you need to get the fuck out of that shit hole asap or die. That is what happened to my family in 1979, the ones that were fighters and stayed behind are all dead and my relatives that ran are still alive.
I actually did post a real solution to your issues if you were smart enough to read between the lines but to be honest I have to cross the border to the US pretty often for various bullshit and don’t want to be detained.
You really come off as a massive fucking twat to all of us who are trapped in the US and have no where to go. Like we enjoy fascism. And voting to save ourselves is just a stupid waste of time. So we should just rot in place and accept it instead of casting a smelly vote for a democrat. Whats four more years of stability if my life doesn’t match your academic philosophy? Actually fuck you. Enjoy being Not American so you can crudely point and laugh. You’re a myopic piece of shit.
As if Trump would be good for Mexico either. Jesus Christ.
You’re only stuck if you decide that you’re stuck. You’re not getting any stability with Harris, you’re going to get a crisis. Fascists don’t care about elections, they push a society to crisis and seize power. The US doesn’t have 4 years left. Wake up and run. It isn’t me that you are mad at, it is yourself.
I’m not being a twat to you, I’m explaining that a person posting memes for awareness doesn’t necessarily have the answers. You are all so lost and blaming me for it but I don’t care who you blame. I know what to do, it isn’t a secret. Be useful, be prepared to run. It is too late for you to organize into a revolutionary army in the US and resist and they have robot dogs. You still have months to act to protect yourself. This is a warning not someone being a twat but since you have already accepted defeat you think that.
Vent your depression elsewhere.
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The solution has always been violence. The American government doesn’t fear its people. We’ve been taught to clown on the French. The French riot over the smallest shit but hey, guess what, that’s a good thing. We’re all dumb, fat, cowardly pieces of shit. Most people I know don’t have the balls to share their salary or call out their boss’s boss in bullshit, much less take to the streets and make any actual personal sacrifice.
If the government knows its people actually call them out on their bullshit, it is incentivized to skip over the “revolution” part and just give the people what they want. But without education, the people aren’t a threat - to each other maybe, but not to the government.
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The primary way that the Dems keep it from going left is by keeping the stupid filibuster around, hamstringing the ability for them to pass legislation when they hold the senste, house, and oval office. They can achieve the same goal by holding only one of the three and it isn’t like the Republicans respected the completely voluntary filibuster when it was time for them to stack the courts.
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