• tate@lemmy.sdf.org
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    14 hours ago

    You can only achieve a fair and civil society through fairness and civility. That is what (most of) the democrats have been working on for the last 50 years.

    It’s always tempting to think that you could “defeat” evil through violence, repression, suppression, and exclusion. Instead, you only become it.

    edit: I really don’t mean to lecture here. I wrote this because I saw myself in the comment I replied to, and I needed to remind myself to be kind.

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      4 hours ago

      paradox of tolerance

      you can only achieve a fair and civil society by removing those unwilling to keep the social contract

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      13 hours ago

      I mean, our country was founded through a bunch of people getting really uncivil and violent. Sure, it still needed - and still needs - a lot of improvement to be fair for everyone who wasn’t part of the “in-group,” but the same could be said for most countries at the time ours was founded.

      I certainly don’t believe that it’s necessary to be uncivil and violent to achieve a fair and civil society, but it has shown past success at ridding a country of leaders who don’t have the people’s best interests at heart.

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        12 hours ago

        The rest of Britain became democratic without violence. I’m not convinced that the revolution was necessary to throw off the oppressors. I think it was more about protecting the wealthy in the colonies.

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          12 hours ago

          Again, it’s not necessary, but it did work. I hope we can resolve the issues in our country democratically, but I’m mentally preparing myself for the violence that will inevitably follow if that doesn’t work. If our country falls to fascism, it’ll take a real fight to get it back.

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            7 hours ago

            I don’t agree that it worked. Regular folk in the US have a modicum of rights now, none of which can be attributed to the revolution.