I donā€™t know how there arenā€™t a myriad of problems associated with attempting to emulate the brain, especially with the end goal of destroying livelihoods and replacing one indentured servant for another. In fact, thatā€™s what promoted this post- an advertisement for a talk with my alma materā€™s philosophy department asking what happens when see LLMs discover phenomenological awareness.

I admit that I donā€™t have a ton of formal experience with philosophy, but I took one course in college that will forever be etched into my brain. Essentially, my professor explained to us the concept of a neural network and how with more computing power, researchers hope to emulate the brain and establish a consciousness baseline with which to compare a humanā€™s subjective experience.

This didnā€™t use to be the case, but in a particular sector, most peopleā€™s jobs are just showing up a work, getting on a computer, and having whatever (completely unregulated and resource devouring) LLM give them answer they can find themselves, quicker. And shit like neuralink exists and I think the next step will to be to offer that with a chatgpt integration or some dystopian shit.

Call me crazy, but I donā€™t think humans are as special as we think we are and our pure arrogance wouldnā€™t stop us from creating another self and causing that self to suffer. Hell, we collectively decided to slaughter en masse another collective group with feeling (animals) to appease our tastebuds, a lot of us are thoroughly entrenched into our digital boxes because opting out will result in a loss of items we take for granted, and any discussions on these topics are taboo.

Data-obsessed weirdos are a genuine threat to humanity, consciousness-emulation never should have been a conversation piece in the first place without first understanding its downstream implications. Feeling like a certified Luddite these days

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    i think the through line from ā€œsufficiently advanced computer + softwareā€ to ā€œconscious brain akin to a human oneā€ is basically made up nonsense conceived by SF writers and propagated as being actually real by tech bros. i donā€™t think itā€™s something worth taking seriously at all

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      Human consciousness is an emergent property of neurons firing in our brain. Unless you attribute consciousness to some external mystical force, replicating it should theoretically be possible. Iā€™m not saying LLMs are the path to get there or that we are anywhere close to it, but it seems inevitable that it is eventually achieved.

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        All the math done to estimate the computation required shows absurd numbers required at minimum

        Capitalists will never try to truly emulate a human brain because itā€™s infinitely cheaper to just hire/breed/enslave real ones to do whatever you need

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          All the math done to estimate the computation required shows absurd numbers required at minimum

          Nature fit it into a space the size of a human head with a bunch of redundancy through an unconscious process of trial and error.

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        i personally do believe in the human soul and donā€™t think rationalist vulgar materialism can fully explain consciousness so yeah, I guess we may just fundamentally disagree there. it doesnā€™t even have to be something ā€œmysticalā€ though, could just be something totally unknown to science that can never be replicated in silicon. even if you still think itā€™s possible, itā€™s plain that the current extinction event and the technological setbacks/energy crises it will bring is going to prevent much progress being made towards the currently science fiction-level technology and energy required to get even close. far from ā€œinevitableā€ in my view and ultimately, a total waste of time and resources. may as well say Dyson spheres another thing made up by SF writers are inevitable. energy crises, tech setbacks and population destruction will always get in the way. itā€™s utopian to a cartoonish extent, like hundreds or thousands of years of end stage communism would be needed for this kind of stuff to even begin being feasible. and if we had that then I would hope creating AI slaves wouldnā€™t be very high on the agenda. thatā€™s why I think taking it seriously is a waste of time.

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          even if you still think itā€™s possible, itā€™s plain that the current extinction event and the technological setbacks/energy crises it will bring is going to prevent much progress being made towards the currently science fiction-level technology and energy required to get even close.

          No disagreement from me on this point. And by no means did I mean its inevitability will happen in our lifetime or even centuries from now. Just that it is theoretically possible and there is no physical limitation that forbids it, unlike say, faster than light space travel. But since you believe in human souls Iā€™m curious- would you ever concede that a sufficiently advanced machine could be conscious or dismiss it as a trickery of code? Does consciousness only arise when a soul is assigned to an organism with 46 chromosomes?

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            Iā€™m not really interested in any kind of debate about this sorry. youā€™re not being rude or anything I just find the idea tedious, as I said itā€™s clear we just disagree on a basic thing here and Iā€™m fine with keeping it that way

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      The problem isnā€™t that itā€™s not real; itā€™s that men with vast fortunes are trying to chase that fictional dragon in the name of profits and theyā€™re selling out the entire species in several critical ways as we teeter on the precipice of an existential crossroads.

      And itā€™s literally for fucking nothing.

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      Yeah sorry I mightā€™ve jumped the gun there, but Iā€™m legitimately starting to contemplate peacing out of corporate America in general because all they can talk about is ā€œusing AI to increase productivityā€ (read as replace workers) and havenā€™t been able to escape the talk of whatever a human can do can be done by a computer (in the context of replicating monotonous computer-touching tasks).

      I guess the whole sentience vs non is a completely separate one entirely (and a moot one by the sound of it), but that has not stopped the powers that be from dumping as much money possible into these treat printers.

      And after all, this isnā€™t the first time I havenā€™t been able to outrun the propaganda. I guess itā€™s just becoming increasingly more difficult to sift through the bullshit and thatā€™s another reason why I think the question of consciousness wonā€™t matter in the short term. But we do know that consciousness is just the result of activity in the brain (and we can prove this with MRIs on stroke victims and such).