Jesus teachings, assuming he was even real, boil really down to being a decent human being.
You don’t need a religious institution to live by that principle, you don’t even need to be a believer of anything supernatural, you don’t even have to believe he existed. Just be a decent human being, it’s really not that hard.
All those people and their labels, but they always end up just being control freaks and hypocrites, all throughout history. And then they wonder why others turn their backs on them.
If a Historian were to write a book about Churchill today
There’s very throughout recordings of Churchill and his life already, even from the time he actually lived.
Also what’s so exceptional about the mere existence and death of some random itinerant preacher that would require a particularly high standard of evidence?
The entire religion formed around his person? His “wonders”? If there’s such a big fuss being made about his life, then surely you’d have records of said life from when he was still alive, not very long after his death.
WTF do supposed wonders have to do with whether he lived or not?
Simple. If someone today would walk on water or turn water into wine, then it would be talked about everywhere, but not ages after their death. No idea why you find this so hard to comprehend.
Or is the existence of Stalin suddenly up in the air because Tankies form a religion around the guy?
No? There’s literally records of him existing, including video evidence. Stop being willfully obtuse. This is just bad faith bullshit arguing and you know it.
And people who don’t do it and thus aren’t talked about that often therefore don’t exist?
It means that the Jesus person that the bible talks about and that formed this entire global religion didn’t exist, which in turn invalidates the entire Christian religion (although you can apply most of the same logic to other religions too, of course).
He did say, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," which would, at the very least, necessitate believing he existed.
Depends on how you want to interpret & translate it, not that I really care either way. If the afterlife were real and you’d deny entry to good people simply for not believing in Jesus, then you’re not even worth the worship anyway.
Jesus teachings, assuming he was even real, boil really down to being a decent human being.
You don’t need a religious institution to live by that principle, you don’t even need to be a believer of anything supernatural, you don’t even have to believe he existed. Just be a decent human being, it’s really not that hard.
All those people and their labels, but they always end up just being control freaks and hypocrites, all throughout history. And then they wonder why others turn their backs on them.
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Yet all his records appear only like a hundred years after his alleged death. I don’t find that to be convincing credibility.
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There’s very throughout recordings of Churchill and his life already, even from the time he actually lived.
The entire religion formed around his person? His “wonders”? If there’s such a big fuss being made about his life, then surely you’d have records of said life from when he was still alive, not very long after his death.
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Simple. If someone today would walk on water or turn water into wine, then it would be talked about everywhere, but not ages after their death. No idea why you find this so hard to comprehend.
No? There’s literally records of him existing, including video evidence. Stop being willfully obtuse. This is just bad faith bullshit arguing and you know it.
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It means that the Jesus person that the bible talks about and that formed this entire global religion didn’t exist, which in turn invalidates the entire Christian religion (although you can apply most of the same logic to other religions too, of course).
The gospel according to Wheaton:
And lo, Jesus said to the people, “don’t be a dick.”
He did say, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," which would, at the very least, necessitate believing he existed.
Depends on how you want to interpret & translate it, not that I really care either way. If the afterlife were real and you’d deny entry to good people simply for not believing in Jesus, then you’re not even worth the worship anyway.
Matthew 10:34-36