No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple’s anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can’t even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don’t even own it.
another example of why apple laptops are so expensive.
80% of the price is to cover the R&D for fucking over the consumer.
Seriously, tying the goddamn *hall effect sensor to the system so it cant be replaced? Thats some freaking cyberpunk level corpo shitbaggery.
Considering the serious move EU as made regarding right to repair and imposing that any equipment must be repairable and have parts for it for at least 10 years, this ia going to be another serious pain for this brand.
I’ve also read an article recently where it was reported that all cell phones circulating in the EU must have replaceable batteries. And from what I took from the article it was meant replaceable by the end user.
Serious anti obsolescence legislation.
This will hurt Apple again.
10? That’s one way to discourage competition from new companies.
How is that?
As it is, that same argument was used by Apple to try to dodge from complying with the demand for having an industry standard for data and charge port/cable - the USB-C.
Planned obsolescence is a thing. Having law put in place to curb it is a good thing.
If you know you can buy something and you know that something will be repairable at least for a decade, it passes confidence to the end user.
Competition is welcome. Innovation as well. Legislation like this just means companies need to share standards and cooperate more and not aim to skin the client in an endless cycle of replacing expensive items that get thrown out before they are worn out.
I’d really like to buy a Mac mini but that mark up on RAM is insane, with that money I can get 8x the same amount of DDR 5
The base config it’s too limited and I can’t accept to pay 250 euro for 8 extra gigs of RAM and another 250 euro for 250 extra gigs of SSD
Now if they just sold an ITX M2 motherboard with slots for DDR 5, m.2 and PCI express, I could pay 800 euro for that…
But then it would be upgradable, and they’d lose on squeezing as much out of you as possible.
Playing devil advocate here. I owned second hand entry level first-gen MacBook Pro Retina that I bought in 2014. Still using it as my main laptop up until 2021 when I gave it to my nieces. On paper, It doesn’t have good repairability so-so specs, everything glued also, but it still working very well, battery still can last more than 4 hours, every apps still run reasonably smooth and dare I said fast.
On the other hand, my spouse bought a brand new ZenBook a year later, it has a bit better repairability, battery and ram are “easily” replaceable, and it have better specs, but the battery dies 3 years ago. Even when the battery still alive, the laptop is very unoptimized causing the fan ran all the time, consuming more electricity, and over time it becomes very sluggish. So now, it’s been hiding under closet now since maybe 4 years ago.
So I asked, what the use of repairability if at the end the component break easily. Sure you can replace it, but it just going to create more trash at the end. It’s also unoptimized so it use more energy. I take one hardened optimized laptop that can last longer versus one that can be user repairable easily but unoptimized, energy hungry, and easily break component.
The issue lies in assuming that repairable laptops cannot be optimized to the same extent as MacBooks. However, this assumption is inaccurate. While there might have been a problem with your Asus ZenBook, I can assure you that if you were to select a Windows laptop priced similarly to a MacBook, you would find a comparable level of optimization. Additionally, there’s the added benefit that you can swap out the battery when it starts going bad and upgrade the RAM and storage if you need to in the future
So you’re drawing the conclusion that a more repairable device is inherently going to be worse than a less repairable device but that’s not true.
A sample size of two is hardly statistically relevant. Especially because you’re completely discounting the possibility that you were unusually lucky with your Mac or unusually unlucky with the Zenbook.
Gluing the battery in, in no way makes it last longer. The biggest problem here seems to be that the fan profile is not optimised, but that won’t have a significant effect on the battery because while it increases charge discharge cycles, it doesn’t increase them by that much. You probably just had a dud battery.
They really did it again huh
Apple is making really good hardware but we should stop buying it because of what they are doing against repairabality or because of the fact that they trying to capture you in their ecosystem.
They’ve significantly overcharged for their products for the past 20 years. If you can’t get people to give a fuck about the bottom line, good luck getting them to care about anything else
I have a MBP 2015 and I love all the integrations with other stuff like my iPhone and Apple Watch, but every time I see a convenience feature like “Scan from iPhone” I just stop for a second and think “Imagine that was an open source, documented API that any developer could both hook into and implement into something like Windows or Linux.”
Apple is so good at making everything just work when everything is Apple. Truly, I think if this problem was solved for PC users, it would take away from Apple’s market share
True, though Apple does contribute some things, like MagSafe for iPhones is becoming part of Qi 2. I think Apple get a bad rep just because they’re a large target sometimes, but I don’t recall other big platforms releasing a bunch of their work as FLOSS either.
I’m also on the fence about the repairability thing. It’s nice to be able to open up an old computer to add more RAM/Storage/etc., but I also get that making everything integrated and soldered improves durability and reliability. I do think they take that a little too far sometimes. While RAM/SSDs should typically last a long time, the battery life often becomes the limiting factor for usability so making that repair simpler would go a long way. Pricing can be hard to bite too, while I don’t mind the idea of soldered RAM, I don’t like that upgrades are pretty heavily marked up compared to most manufacturers.
Then again, I’m still in the ecosystem, so unless there’s some government oversight setting standards for Apple to follow they’ll continue doing what’s profitable and their sales keep steadily growing despite the occasional bad press.
It’s nice to be able to open up an old computer to add more RAM/Storage/etc., but also get that making everything integrated and soldered improves durability and reliability.
If you’re willing to believe that soldering in a hard drive has anything at all to do with reliability I don’t even know what to tell you. The fact they apple will, with a straight face, charge $300+ to upgrade from 256gb of ssd capacity to 512gb should also be a clue…you can get 1tb for that price. and that price gauging on selling the customer parts at over 100% markup is the sole reason they solder them in.
My griddle from the 90s has a magsafe plug. Apple didn’t invent that at all.
Did anyone actually watch the video? Like I’m sure as shit not, but wondering if anyone else did. Guessing no scrolling through the comments.
How about if normalized not fucking linking YouTube videos for topics that seem like news?
I will read an article but I’m not going to click through and watch some random ass length video from some random ass “content creator” who probably has a worthless opinion to begin with.
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Also I’m not going to always be in a position where I can just have my phone start playing video with audio. And I’m not going to get my headphones out of my bag just so I can listen to a video that I probably am not actually that interested in.
I wish people would just post synopses.
Amen. I don’t even want to watch a news video over an article let alone some rando 18min YouTube video.
100%
Pure garbage… Won’t even usually click it if I notice.
Yup. I’m subbed to the handful I find worthwhile, so just give me text for the rest.
They bring a sex doll to their meetings and spend hours trying to figure out the best way to fuck consumers.
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Soldered in SSDs
Git gud at smd soldering dingdongs
* pulls out a hot air gun, looks sexily at the camera and winks *
“Yeah, baby!”
On these machines they are proprietary SSD chips that you can’t buy anywhere.
I’m happy because they make them unstealable and unresellable. Same for iPhones. A fair trade-off. I could never use any other ecosystem
What does that even mean?
It means they were dropped on their head as a child.
Maybe they have stock in an ewaste disposal company. Apple creates a lot of that, now that they’re unrepairable and un-resale-able.
Anti-theft, which is a dual-edged sword.
Activation lock prevents the device from functioning without the consent of the owner, but if the owner is locked out of their iCloud account, the device is a brick.
Serializing components has the side effect of preventing activation locked devices from being harvested for parts. Unfortunately, this also means that perfectly working parts cannot be used to repair other iPhones.
It’s very hard to walk that fine line between anti-theft and repair. The way Apple is doing it definitely seems to be with an anti-third-party-repair goal, though.
I personally think activation lock is fine, but serializing components is not.
Why would any of this make them not resellable or stealable, as if there aren’t loads of iPhones and MacBooks on ebay?
Good luck getting top dollar for an activation locked device. If you paid full price for one of those, you got scammed.
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Have a look at the Sensel haptic touchpad used in the X1 Titanium Yoga. It’s a touchpad that’s actually better than Apple’s. It’s a shame it only got used in like 2 devices so far.
You have the glasstop trackpad? They’re relatively cheap and simple to install if not…
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Yeah nah. There are more reasons why Apple TrackPads are great not just glass.
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They don’t do macOS. That’s an Apple issue.
I have a Framework, and I love it. The trackpad isn’t as good as a MacBook’s.
It’s so annoying. I want to love Apple, heck I’ve been there and HAD Apple everything. They have a great *nix OS, well polished ecosystem, very good security and privacy practices… but hostility towards repair, along with planned obsolescence, ended up turning me off. One aspect is sustainability. Repair is more sustainable than recycle. They have good recycling credentials but that should be last resort.
Recycling credentials are nonsense. I work in the ewaste industry, very few things actually get recycled. Resale is the goal of these companies. Otherwise most ewaste companjes just trade thier scrap back and forth until it eventually ends up in a landfill in a country with poor regulations.
It’s tight to balance between the demand on how impossibly small things are getting, the space requirements for user serviceable latches, and just straight up reduction in component sizes.
I remember back when it was easy to desolder a capacitor/vacuum tube to replace a part; then they got smaller and replaced by IC chips. I remember back when we can just pull out a and replace memory modules on cards; then they got soldered on, but hey the card can still be ripped out of the PCI slots and replaced. Now we’re seeing the GPU, CPU, and memory all getting smaller, all getting fused into a single SOC on the ever shrinking logic board… It is just the inevitable future if the world continues to want things smaller (to fit in pockets) and faster (lesser distance for signal to travel).
Unpopular opinion: I find this whole “right to repair” really pointless endeavour pushed by repair shops wanting to retain their outdated business model. In 50 years, when the entire system that’s more powerful than the most powerful supercomputer today lives entirely in the stem of your glasses, and the display is fused into the lens or projection, no one will have the necessary tools to pull apart the systems nor the physical precision to repair things… and that future will come, whether these right to repair people want it or not.
It is probably better use of our collective resources to focus on researching technologies that will help us deconstruct these tiny components into their constituent matters (stable chemical compounds), such that they can be reused to build into newer equipments, as opposed to sitting in a landfill never being used again.
Technology doesn’t proliferate as quickly as you’d expect. Most people aren’t on the cusp of the latest and greatest. I worked for a fucking multibilliondollar international company 2 years ago, and they still pick product, and communicate inventory adjustments with pen and paper.
People rely on the previous shit they’ve bought.
I take issue with some of the statements here. First of all:
I find this whole “right to repair” really pointless endeavour pushed by repair shops wanting to retain their outdated business model.
Right to repair is definitely not just being pushed by repair shops. If you take a good look at the rate Framework is selling devices at (batches instantly sold out until Q1 2024), you’ll see that consumers want this more than any other group. We, as the consumers will ultimately benefit the most from having repair options available. Right to repair is not meant to halt innovation, it is not about forcing manufacturers to design products in ways detrimental to the functioning of said products. It is about making sure they don’t lock third parties out of the supply chain. If you replace a traditional capacitor with a SMD variant, someone is going to learn to micro solder. If you convert a chip from socketed to BGA mount, someone is going to learn how to use a heat plate and hot air gun to solder it back in to place.
The main problem is manufacturers demonstrably going out of their way to prevent the feasable.
The second part I take issue with is this:
It is probably better use of our collective resources to focus on researching technologies that will help us deconstruct these tiny components into their constituent matters
From my 12 years of experience in design of consumer goods and engineering for manufacturing I can tell you this is not happening because no one is going to pay for it. The more tightly you bond these “constituent matters” together, the more time, energy, reasearch and money it will require to convert them back into useful resources.
There is only one proper way to solve this problem and it is to include reclamation of resources into the product lifecycle design. Which is currently not widely done because companies put profits before sustainability. And this model will be upheld until legislation puts a halt to it or until earth’s resources run out.
In terms of sustainability the desireable order of action is as follows:
- reduce: make it so you need less resources overall
- prolong: make it so you can make do as long as possible with your resources. this part includes repair when needed
- reuse: make it so that a product can be used for the same purpose again. this part includes repair when needed
- repurpose: make it so that a product can be used for a secondary purpose
- recycle: turn a product into resources to be used for making new products
- burn: turn the product into usable energy (by burning trash in power stations for example)
- dispose: usually landfill
Only thing is that repair technically should belong to “prolong” I think, so even more desireable.
I might agree with you if the boards themselves were disposable. If a high end macbook were $300 then sure, just get a new one. But they’re $2000 or more just for an “ok” model. At that price they should be repairable.
I think people’s anger stems from the fact that it wouldn’t be hard for laptops to be repairable and in fact Apple’s putting in additional roadblocks over time to make repairing harder. At the very least, having broken components be removable would do a lot for hardware lifespan.
Unpopular opinion: I find this whole “right to repair” really pointless endeavour pushed by repair shops wanting to retain their outdated business model.
Either you’re a shill, or you have zero clue what you’re talking about. It’s one of the two.
Why not explain why you think this rather than level accusations. It’s not clear to me why this person has “zero clue” or is a “shill”.
Because it’s not only about being able to repair everything at home, but forcing the companies to avoid anti-repair practices and making you to either pay an (purposefully) exorbitant price to have it repaired by them or just having to buy a new device altogether.
That’s why that dude is a shill, because he is talking as if companies act in good faith (for whatever reson) and the devices are simply “too complex” to repair. They are not, companies are puposefully making it as obscure and hard to repair as possible so that, again, you have to either pay a shit ton of money for them to repair it for you or just buy a new device altogether because changing shit like the glass of the back of the phone is half as expensive as a new device or a design “flaw” that should be covered by warranty gets turned into a simple “motherboard is faulty and warranty doesn’t cover it”.
the guy’s neither, of course. It’s a valid opinion, well-described.
I completely disagree with him, but his point has obviously been considered over the course of a long career actually repairing gear.
And, based on downvotes, experience and perspective are valueless.
Think what you want. The eventuality is either humanity’s own undoing or Computronium; good luck rearranging literal atoms at home.
PS: incidentally, before the previous reply, I just shared a bunch of info to show someone how to replace soldered RAM module. So I’m probably/hopefully not completely clueless. But, again, think what you will.
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I can see an eventual future when the cores, RAM and storage are all on one IC or something which would also be great for performance (I just bought a desktop processor that does some clever stacking of extra L3 cache on top of the cores). As others said though we’re not quite there yet.
Ever since Steve Jobs (I think perhaps as a way of coping with illness making him thinner himself) Apple has done this thing of telling consumers that they want thinner, thinner, thinner at all costs (and other manufacturers following Apple because of course they do) but I’ve seen no real evidence of consumers actually wanting this. I for one (and I know I’m far from the only one) don’t actually mind a bit more thickness if it means a bigger battery, using an M.2 slot (oh no a few mm difference) etc.
Yeah I’d love them to rid the camera mesa plateau by flushing the back with extra thick battery… but apparently consumers don’t want the extra weight… 🤷 can’t win them all I guess.
It’s nothing new. Have you ever opened up a laser disc player or discman from 1989? Extremely intracate parts Ave mechanisms that are nearly impossible to work with.
Even a basic VCR or DVD drive has a ton of small moving parts which are difficult or impossible to fix and designed to break early and often.
Yep. And the steady march towards even smaller parts that are not user serviceable will continue to persist. The pipe dream of being able to self service will fizzle out — if not in 50 years, in an inevitable eventuality of the Computronium; good luck self repairing by rearranging literal atoms at home.
Do you need to rearrange atoms to change the display panel of your laptop?
We’re not at the computronium age yet, but as technology progress, that’s the eventuality. As such, repair shops’ attempt to rally clueless regulators to put in right to repair law is merely getting in the way and slowing down the inevitability.
It’s not just repair shops that want right to repair.
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We’ll reach a point where performance improvements are largely unnecessary. Sure, governments and corps will still privately compete to get those precious nano seconds ahead on trades or whatever.
I mean, you were never blocked from replacing ICs. Most people just didn’t have the capability to solder. Today, IC replacement is blocked by hardware DRM.
This sounds like it’s better to wait for imaginary benefits than do the things we really can do. Anyway, there is absolutely no reason not to repair things even if you want your scifi disassembler. Our collective resources are not strained in the slightest by repairs.
In the very long term you are right. The thing is we aren’t there yet. Lots of companies are making things unrepairable for no reason right now. This is at a time when we need to produce less stuff to help the environment.
I agree we’re long way from it; but, I don’t think the secure signing of components would necessarily equates to “no reason”, though, that’s definitely not a blanket statement. Personally I’m huge proponent for locking down components with secure signing on the portable devices — less likely to experience theft, if thieves cannot get into the device nor salvage for parts (though right now they just skim passcode and reset iCloud account to circumvent it; but this can be fixed with more security around the workflow). However, for fixed devices, it makes less sense.
Yeah nah. Signing components isn’t gonna stop people stealing phones just like iCloud dosen’t now. Nobody apart from you actually wants this feature.
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Man fuck Apple, how can anyone purchase anything from a company like this.
Because they’ve somehow built a cult around their overpriced and overhyped products.
My laptop can crush anything their anti-consumer company can push out. People drool over MacBooks and they’re fucking laughable.You talking about “crushing” the Apple laptops is missing the point. Performance isn’t the main reason people buy them, it’s things like the TrackPad, software, battery life, and overall usability.
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I didn’t say it, but I thought it.
The sad fact is that they get away with it because they have the best laptops out there in terms of build quality and user comfort (try using a Macbook touchpad and then any other one after it).
They also have the best software integration because they have to support a limited number of hardware configurations
try using a Macbook touchpad and then any other one after it
I have a Dell laptop from 8ish years ago whose touchpad behaves pretty much identically to an Apple touchpad.
Software support for touchpad gestures on Linux is pretty lacking, but that’s not the hardware’s fault.
Interesting, because my last Dell was a Latitude from 2018 and the touchpad on that was utter crap compared to any Macbook with the newer Force Touch (as opposed to the older pre-2015 (or pre-2018 on Air)) touchpads.
I hadn’t heard of Force Touch, so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Isn’t that difficult to control? It sounds annoying more than anything else.
Significantly better than the old hinged ones because the feedback from clicking it is completely even across the entire thing. Can’t go back once you try, IMO.
I’ve used both hinged and non-hinged Apple touchpads, and the difference is noticeable but minor to me. Certainly not enough to make up for everything that’s wrong with Apple hardware.
I just don’t like carrying a mouse with me if I want to use my laptop as a laptop. To me the difference is pretty big.
… try using a Macbook touchpad and then any other one after it.
^ This.
Have been given a current Surface Pro laptop for work and must use an external mouse, or rage in frustration that my 13 yo MBP has a better functioning trackpad.
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Doesn’t excuse Apple or anyone else. How does whataboutism help here?
It’s because the person who’s saying this is likely buying from another company doing the same thing, except worse, I’d argue.
So, genuine question.
What other laptops are there with comparable screens? Colour gamut, accuracy and all the good stuff Apple does so well.
Some day I might need something to work with on the go, and I need a good display.
Edit: Well, didn’t expect so many answers in as little time, thank you
I own a MacBook Air now but prior to that I’ve used thinkpad, dell xps, Asus zenbook and hp envy lineups.
If i were to ditch MacBook I’d have picked up a zenbook since they’re budget friendly, great oled screen, long battery life, lightweight and good build quality. You can even do casual gaming on it.
The biggest thing i miss switching to mac has been losing my steam library and unable to play games with my friends.
I own recent OLED Zenbook and it’s super creaky squeaky, plus, the screen unglued itself from the frame. The build quality isn’t very good I’d say.
Maybe the ProArt Studiobook from Asus
I’ve been using a Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i (or Slim Pro 9i if you’re in the US) for around half a year now and have been loving it so far. 14" MiniLED screen, 100% DCI-P3, can get really bright, has a touch screen (if that’s something you like) and a 165 Hz refresh rate. Can’t speak for the color accuracy though.
I got the i9 variant with 32GB RAM and an RTX 4060 GPU during a “Mega Power” sale and with an additional 10% off as a Student for just over 2000€, but even the normal price is “only” (compared to your MacBooks and XPSs) around 2500€ iirc.
RAM is sadly soldered onto the motherboard but at least you get 6400MHz for it. Storage is upgradeable.
Connectivity is great (2x USB-C with PD3.1 for 140W charging, one also supporting Thunderbolt 4, HDMI, full-size SD Card reader, 2x USB-A…)
Asus OLED laptop screens are as good (or better depending on what your criteria are). If you do print, they are Pantone Validated.
None that I’ve met. But that’s why they’re apple. They get to control everything on their hardware.
But I’m happy running a framework 13 for a few business trips and I love it.
Battery is not too amazing. Hitting only about 5-6 hours rather than the 8-10 that I truly want.
I’ve used Macs for a while, but I’d take Frameworks over Macs now. The fun at the start of having a mac is not worth all the hassles that come down the line when things start failing and can’t be fixed.
Dell precision 5570.
Basically, none.
A display is only as good, as the OS running it. Otherwise you’re seeing random, usually oversaturated shizzle.macOS is still the only, properly color-managed OS. (Usually running P3 displays)
If you have a windows laptop with a display that’s not sRGB, you’re in for some “fun”, if you’re doing any sort of creative or design work.
Edit: I’m getting downvoted because “apple bad >:(”?
No, you’re getting downvoted because you can buy non-apple laptops with quality screens. Also, you could just plug in a cheap monitor that is properly calibrated, or buy a nicer color correct monitor. Apple doesn’t have monopoly on color.
MacOS does know how to handle colours, I’ll give 'em that.
I just have no idea if Windows does it better, worse, or the same.
Windows is not a color-managed OS. It only manages a few applications, like “Photos”. The rest of color-management is done by separate applications, which is far from ideal.
Linux had a chance to match macOS with Wayland, but blew it by not taking in constructive criticism and letting their egos dictate the features.
Edit: If you’re going for a Windows laptop, just don’t get a laptop with a “wide-gamut” display. Go for a good sRGB screen and your life will be easier.
It just blows that everything Apple sells can only barely be repaired or upgraded, if at all.
I can replace pretty much any part of my current laptop fairly easily, and I’d love to have something like that again.
I don’t use Apple products, simply because of their crappy ethics and questionable product design. But that means I suffer in my day-to-day work-life thing. That, and I need a good GPU for rendering.
Still, I’d ‘hackintosh’ everything and anything just because of color-management. :'(
Was it Framework who sells nicely repairable devices? Maybe I’ll see if they have reasonably good screens, and use Adobe through a Windows VM. I’d prefer that over bare metal anyway.
I would hope that if I ever need a truly high end display, it’s going to be an employer who pays for it. One can hope.
This is false, it looks like you haven’t read or understood my comment.
Sorry. You’re right. I lied. It’s impossible to buy color calibrated monitors. https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-PD2500Q-2560x1440-Monitor-Calibrated/dp/B0749RC47S/ And it’s impossible to calibrate the color of any other monitors. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=color+calibration&crid=1DCVNFPWWTQR2&sprefix=color+calibrat%2Caps%2C132&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_14
Apple does have a monoply on color. Can’t wait to get their VR headset so I can experience the true color of reality. You’ve really opened my eyes to the false color life I was living.
My god, if you’re that clueless, just shut the fuck up.
The person is asking what laptops have “good screens” whatever that means, and you’re offering an external monitor?
Do you understand what color-management is, and that calibration is means jack shit if the OS doesn’t properly manage color?
“monopoly on color”. Christ almighty, I’d be embarrassed to spew such nonsense, even anonymously.
Couldn’t find a chart for this year, but here is one for 2020… https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Best-Notebooks-with-the-Best-Displays.120541.0.html
Spoiler, MacBooks don’t even make the top 10. As for my “apple doesn’t have a monoply on color” comments. You’re the one insinuating that it’s impossible to get good color on any other platform, I just digested your meaning a bit. And yes, it is dumb, almost as dumb as asking why you are getting downvoted for repeating fanboi dribble based on Apple marketing department talking points.
Lmao. It seems like you’re just ignoring the part you don’t understand lol. As I said. A clueless parrot.
Is this what you are talking about?
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/auto-color-management/OS level colour calibration and management, regardless of the app?
New feature in Windows 11 2022.Is this what you are talking about?
Yes.
BUT.Can you turn it on?
New feature in Windows 11 2022.
As available as “full-self-driving-next-year”. Planned for 23H2.
You have to be a “Windows insider” run beta-test version of windows, and set it up via .bat from github.
That being said, I am a “windows insider” and I do run their beta-test OS, and I still don’t have that feature.
I’ll believe it’s released and tested, because the quality of my work directly depends on it.
It’s also going to be available for 12th+ gen iGPUs only, which means that any laptop running a wider-gamut built-in-monitor with an older iGPU can get fucked.
I appreciate the ‘gotcha’ tone.
Hmm, fair.
There is also the colour profile system.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/about-color-management-2a2ed8fa-cf09-83c5-e55c-d1428519f616I just tested it on my computer. Installed the “driver” for my monitor, which then loaded the correct profile for it (changing from the “generic PnP” driver/profile to one for my specific model).
It certainly changed the look of my monitor.
I’ll have to test drive it a bit.But I guess it’s deeper than that, isn’t it.
Like, if that sets the colour profile to sRGB, and I’m dealing with BT.2020… although that would be bonkers cause I don’t think sRGB can represent BT.2020.Color standards break my brain.
Your monitor has a very specific set of RGB lights that need a profile made for that specific monitor. Loading random profiles from the internet will result in incorrect colors in some areas. The one that comes with the driver is closest you can get without a calibrator.
The wcm in your link is the standard Windows Color Management which only works with a handful of windows Apps. Rest is a random mixture of unmanaged, locally managed, and Windows managed colors.
My advice is, it seems that you have an external display, set that to “sRGB” via the buttons on the monitor, and set the driver-installed profile to sRGB. If you have such options. This is the only way to get as close to “correct color” on Windows without much effort and worry about color management.
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at this point i dont care about apple products.
