I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
Exactly, they’re all homophobic and transphobic, but liberal counties so far have a better track record of pushing the envelope.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there’s not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
I 100% agree with your critique of capitalism. It plays a zero sum game.
And actually you’ve made a really smart compelling point - even if liberalism is technically about the personal freedom to be trans, it also largely allows the personal freedom of someone else to discriminate against trans people.
So liberal ideals might have lofty aspirations about trans right, it’s a lot of feel good without actually protecting them.
Thank you for your input, you’ve changed my mind on some things.
What is your opinion on the massive U.S. Industry around “gay conversion” and “troubled teen” camps?
Absolute atrocity.
Okay, I think neopronouns are dumb, but I will write out every single neopronoun ever created on paper over and over until I have each and every one memorized, if it meant gay conversion camps were all shut down and banned in exchange.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
This is another compelling point.
It’s tricky because, for example, Russia does pretty well on housing rights, but very awful on LGBT rights.
And Cuba seems to be doing better on both fronts.
You must be fucking blind if you think thats the truth
I’m open to being corrected. Which communist country pushed the envelope on human rights protecting LGBT people?