Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
I’m sure it’s overlooked that Stalin was committing genocide on Muslims even moreso than Ukrainians!
"I’m sure I’m right, I must be! "
Again, come on man, no investigation, no right to speak. No one who has studied this more than you or I ever will believes it was a intentional genocide. Go read the new translation of Losurdo’s Stalin, that’ll do you more good than whatever it was you were going to do tomorrow.
If you like Lenin you should read about his thoughts on imperialism sometime. His works on the subject inform the views on geopolitics of the “tankies” you so despise.
(You should also read “On Authority” by Engels since you throw around the word authoritarian a lot).
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
Easy to paint all Uighurs as enemies that need to be “saved” and “helped” by the “superior Han race” because some of them were extremists. You really don’t think Uighurs as a whole were persecuted? This is like justifying when America detained random Muslims because the Nation of Islam existed.
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
It’s common sense knowledge. I literally learned about both the Holodomor and Uighur persecution in history and civics class in high school, and we touched on it in a couple college classes as well. I had a textbook literally headlined “Holodomor Genocide” or something, you think everything is just western propaganda?
I literally learned about both the Holodomor and Uighur persecution in history and civics class in high school, and we touched on it in a couple college classes as well.
Sooo you’re saying info taught from academic textbooks is all made up? Probably the type to dismiss education as “liberal propaganda” just like conservatives.
Sooo you’re saying info taught from academic textbooks is all made up?
My highschool civics classes taught that the annexation of Hawaii was the US stepping in to “restore democracy” and liberate the islands after American plantation owners established a junta with private mercenaries, alongside plenty of just trivial factual errors like claiming late 19th century American farmers were concerned over “inflation” when they were actually debtors worried over deflation. One of those classes literally taught the lie about progressive tax brackets meaning people who make more money end up with less as a fact. Highschool civics classes are literally just propaganda classes with textbooks written by far-right thinktanks.
My college poli-sci class literally taught that “socialism is when the government does stuff and when it does a lot that’s communism.”
Schooling and academia is plagued with errors, propaganda, and brainworms, whether those come from active institutional efforts to spread disinformation, shitty quality control from for-profit publishers, or teachers who are themselves ignorant or have brainworms.
No problem with education as an academic myself, but American education is kind of seen as a joke to us non-Americans. School shootings aren’t exactly good for learning, and if you didn’t want people accusing the American education system of propaganda its probably not a good look to make kids mindlessly chant to pledge submission your your god and a flag. Hope that helps!
What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.
Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
That’s a good point-- I’m sure it’s overlooked that Stalin was committing genocide on Muslims even moreso than Ukrainians!
FYI I like Lenin just not authoritarian capitalist Stalin that caused the decline of Soviet communism.
"I’m sure I’m right, I must be!
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Again, come on man, no investigation, no right to speak. No one who has studied this more than you or I ever will believes it was a intentional genocide. Go read the new translation of Losurdo’s Stalin, that’ll do you more good than whatever it was you were going to do tomorrow.
If you like Lenin you should read about his thoughts on imperialism sometime. His works on the subject inform the views on geopolitics of the “tankies” you so despise.
(You should also read “On Authority” by Engels since you throw around the word authoritarian a lot).
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in
because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in
into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
Easy to paint all Uighurs as enemies that need to be “saved” and “helped” by the “superior Han race” because some of them were extremists. You really don’t think Uighurs as a whole were persecuted? This is like justifying when America detained random Muslims because the Nation of Islam existed.
Tf? Two things can be genocides you know.
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It’s common sense knowledge. I literally learned about both the Holodomor and Uighur persecution in history and civics class in high school, and we touched on it in a couple college classes as well. I had a textbook literally headlined “Holodomor Genocide” or something, you think everything is just western propaganda?
Least brainwashed american
Sooo you’re saying info taught from academic textbooks is all made up? Probably the type to dismiss education as “liberal propaganda” just like conservatives.
It really depends man, like in Poland right now academic textbooks are saying homosexuality is a modern de.gene.racy brought on by communist ideology.
Do you trust that your country will give you honest and unbiased info about its enemies?
Also you should read this book, it was linked earlier in the thread for you, don’t forget it: https://www.iskrabooks.org/_files/ugd/ec1faf_2d8a8a045ef442a4bc367697d9231c01.pdf
My highschool civics classes taught that the annexation of Hawaii was the US stepping in to “restore democracy” and liberate the islands after American plantation owners established a junta with private mercenaries, alongside plenty of just trivial factual errors like claiming late 19th century American farmers were concerned over “inflation” when they were actually debtors worried over deflation. One of those classes literally taught the lie about progressive tax brackets meaning people who make more money end up with less as a fact. Highschool civics classes are literally just propaganda classes with textbooks written by far-right thinktanks.
My college poli-sci class literally taught that “socialism is when the government does stuff and when it does a lot that’s communism.”
Schooling and academia is plagued with errors, propaganda, and brainworms, whether those come from active institutional efforts to spread disinformation, shitty quality control from for-profit publishers, or teachers who are themselves ignorant or have brainworms.
Don’t teachers over there sometimes refuse to even teach evolution properly? LOL gg America
No problem with education as an academic myself, but American education is kind of seen as a joke to us non-Americans. School shootings aren’t exactly good for learning, and if you didn’t want people accusing the American education system of propaganda its probably not a good look to make kids mindlessly chant to pledge submission your your god and a flag. Hope that helps!
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Maybe read into Uighur persecution from sources not written by the CCP. It’s not my job to educate you.
Do you mind linking so we can educate ourselves? It’s obvious that you read them and have easy access
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
and before you play the “wikipedia” card, it’s a good breakdown and all the citations are right there
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What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.