I’ve made this joke before and I think I’m going to get a lot of mileage out of it: we are the real libertarians.
I mean, yeah? All of the OG libertarians from the 1800s were socialists/communists/anarchists. The entire ideology was built on leftist values and eventually the term just got stolen by rightwingers. Same as the Nazis stealing socialism and anarcho-capitalism being an invention of the people who stole libertarianism
to the politically nonaligned chuddy people i interact with in RL think i’m just a libertarian. they think that just means brainy Republican-adjacent type and i just shovel left wing concepts at them
the U.S. is fucked we basically are going to have to end up doing weird entryism especially since right libertarian mask off moment is here and under the mask is a violent police state enforcing corporate capitalism that comes across so impersonal they actual think it’s communism lol
i just sell commie concepts as a “small business paradise” where everyone can follow their dreams, the state has a light touch and just manages large scale stuff (commanding heights) in the background and everyone co-owns their place of business. USAians love this shit
honestly even if a collapse comes ML will never gain purchase in the U.S. the state is too wrecked. there’s not much to seize besides the military.
best we will ever get will be some kind of market socialist libertarian marxism or ancom if a full collapse return to villages scenerio happens
Yeah, the idea that the US would do anything other than more fascism is difficult to imagine without some radical shifts. Privatization and means testing (bureaucracy in general really) has basically killed or is killing everything even close to good about the US/state governments. Hardly anyone has anything beyond a vague, heavily propagandized understanding of history, politics, etc.
Yeah actual left libertarians are fine, basically ancoms
I dunno
Don’t feel intimidated or coerced
Something when states are co mingled with corporate
“Intimidation” of the only civilian population that counts: C-suite management professionals.
the health insurance industry is definitely part of the state and im not even joking about that its basic understanding of what the state is
It should be a part of the state, but it’s privatized.
the State is a special organisation of force: it is an organisation of violence for the suppression of some Social class.
no, its part of the state.
see, the state IS NOT the government. those words are not equivalent. the government is part of the state. so are many many private industries and companies under capitalism. this is basic theory
the government is part of the state.
And the citizens too, in your definition. But we are not talking about that dictionary definition, we are talking about the legal definition.
no, we arent talking about dictionary definitions
private insurers are part of the state for the purpose of how it is presented in the comment i replied to. very much so. irrevocably so. in no sense are they NOT part of the state in that context. they are entwined in the legislative process. they own and operate the capital that makes an entire industry operate in our system, the state we live in. they rule, in a very real sense.
this is the pretty much the most base level of theory here so it doesnt surprise me that a lemmy user doesnt get it and is trying to “by your logic” me on this. ya’ll stay ignorant
Then I obviously need some suggestions on theory to read, because I didn’t know that.
I posted in the news mega but I don’t think the charge requires a health insurance company to be a unit of government
The government is the only entity that can realistically change the healthcare system. They’re not gonna do it themselves.
This is just good terrorism.
I think at the high end everyone acknowledges that corporations are part of the government
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