• Arete@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    2 years ago

    I unsubscribed after reading Madison’s thread. Anyone who’s gotten stuck in a toxic work environment knows just how crushing it is mentally. Constant low-level anxiety, feelings of dread, and the inability to even decompress off the clock due to intruding thoughts, replayed arguments, feelings of being gaslit, and the knowledge that it’s all going to happen again tomorrow. Combine that with the sexual assault allegations and it’s not surprising at all that she’d self harm.

    If even 10% of her story is true we’re looking at systemic failures in the entire management chain both to recognize and triage toxic behavior, and to demonstrate professionalism and lead by example.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 years ago

      As someone who’s “dream job” has devolved into something I’m now actively looking to leave (albeit for somewhat less severe reasons than Madison described), I deeply empathize with what she’s feeling. Hope she can find some success in the future despite how much of a shitshow her tenure at LMG turned out to be.

    • 3ntranced@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I requested refunds from all their sponsors products. Hit em in the wallet where they seem to actually pay attention.

  • Spudwart@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Well then you are lost.

    Goodbye LTT, social media has proven to be a corrupted version of social networks.

    Though Lemmy isn’t the supremely popular setup that Reddit was, it seems to have, on average, better company.

    • maiskanzler@feddit.de
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      2 years ago

      I am positively surprised by everbody’s takes around here. They all seem mostly reasonable and people are rightfully concerned about the well-being of their workers, something that hasn’t even made it into todays apology video.

  • doggle@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I had fallen off a bit anyway; the amount of click baiting had gone through the roof, quality of videos plateaued. Now caught dead to rights on poor journalistic integrity and allegations of sexual harassment in the workplace?

    All so that I can drool over graphics cards I can’t afford? Easy choice to unsubscribe.

    Be better, LTT

    • frezik
      0·
      2 years ago

      Their stats were generally upward. No reason to think the clickbait suddenly became too much for people in just the past week. In general, channels do clickbait because YouTube rewards you for it, and that overwhelms a bunch of people complaining about it in the comments.

      No, the drop is attributable to recent events.

  • NoiseColor@startrek.website
    0·
    2 years ago

    Emotions are high right now. It’s not a trend. I bet most of their subscribers don’t know about what’s going on and wouldn’t care either way. If lmg promise to do better and nothing big comes out, this will be forgotten in two weeks.

    • HughJanus@lemmy.mlBanned from community
      0·
      2 years ago

      Theres nothing to indicate those people were “his fanbase”, and he actively condemned anyone who did that. What is it exactly that you expected him to do about that?

      • phillaholic@lemm.ee
        0·
        2 years ago

        Be more careful when putting things like that in videos. He’s said many times not to go attacking people he talks about, but he should know the minority of his fan base won’t listen, and he should just not mention it instead.

        • HughJanus@lemmy.mlBanned from community
          0·
          2 years ago

          Things like what? It was a completely innocuous (and boring) exchange that people blew out of proportion.

    • Polar@lemmy.ca
      0·
      2 years ago

      Makes sense. All these toxic people unsubbing before hearing both sides. Very toxic community indeed.

      • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        You are the worst fanboy

        I never noticed you until today and every single one of your comments is just fanboy defends his idol against anything and everything.

        You are an excellent example of the problem.

      • giant_smeeg@feddit.uk
        0·
        2 years ago

        Can someone explain to me followers and the seemingly weird cult that forms. LTT, Sony, Microsoft, Apple etc. Why are people weirdly defensive of these companies and ignore evidence, death threats etc?

        • SterlingVapor@slrpnk.netEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          I forget the name of the bias/fallacy, but it’s something like “I love and support X. If X is bad, then I support something bad, then I’m bad. Since I’m a good person, and I support X, then X must be good or I wouldn’t support them”

          It’s probably a quirk of how we make decisions - we don’t consciously make decisions. Instead, we might weigh out the options and that affects our choice, but in the moment we choose subconsciously. It might feel like we made a decision consciously, but sometimes at the last second we deviate from the course we chose (or upon choosing, realize that despite our thoughts we actually have already made up our mind otherwise)… Then we have to rationalize that choice, or start down a long and challenging road of constant introspection

        • DJDarren@beehaw.org
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          2 years ago

          We like to think we’re evolved, but ultimately we’re still tribal creatures. It’s just that the tribes are a bit wider these days.

        • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.mlEnglish
          0·
          2 years ago

          Same as with politics.

          People make something stupid (and usually toxic) the center of their identity, and develop a parasocial obsession with it due to having nothing going on in their own lives and want to latch onto someone elses success… especially if that someone else displays the same unhealthy/bad traits that they personally have and identify with, to the point that any threat to, or criticism against, their idol, is seen as the most egregious of personal attacks on them as a person. So they strike out as if they’ve been personally done the worst wrong imaginable.

    • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
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      2 years ago

      While I don’t doubt for a moment that LTT fan base is likely filled to the brim with fanatics… I don’t want to completely go all in on that story as much as the Madison story. That kid’s youtube channel has a dubious history on it’s own. It appears that the channel was purchased with all the subs that it had, not actually grown. I don’t necessarily believe that they “deserved” the play button if they bought subs. Not to say they deserved to be harassed, but you can’t expect not to be if you do things in a really shady way.

      I could be wrong… I dunno. But I’d encourage a little more research before accepting this story.

          • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.ukEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            No, but you did suggest you should expect this level of abuse for the “shady” act of buying subs and buying a YouTube button someone else feels they’re entitled to.

            Ultimately if a group of people whose unifying property is you and they’re hounding a child in your name you are absolutely responsible for doing everything in your power to stop them abusing that child.

            • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.comEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Not to say they deserved to be harassed, but you can’t expect not to be if you do things in a really shady way.

              Is what I said. As in I don’t believe that they should have been harassed, but the internet being the internet… we know that’s what happens when people do shady shit like that.

              Linus can’t control idiots that just watch his videos. He was on record as “don’t bother this person” in several places. And I’ve not seen any case where Linus “sent” people to harass this kid. So yes… even if the group is ultimately unified by Linus… I can’t necessarily blame him.

      • chrischryse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I completely agree.

        Yes, it’s sad tans messed up that LTT fans drove the kid to suicide. But if it is true that the YouTube channel wasn’t one that legitimately got subscribers then too bad. The self entitlement to feel you should have gotten a silver plaque for not being talented is insane. If you do something shady you deserve to face consequences…getting harrassed? No. Getting called out? Absolutely

    • gamer@lemm.ee
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      2 years ago

      Is there more to this than just a reddit screenshot posted on what’s clearly a clickbait shithole of a website?

      I remember seeing the video of the play button, and kind of expected the guy to get a lot of hate. It resulting in harassment and suicide wouldn’t surprise me considering how Youtube people are. However, I’m not going to accept such a wild story without some credible evidence, especially since this is also the type of hoax internet losers would make up for clout.

  • Altima NEO@lemmy.zipEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    These things are always temporary. They’ll lose subs for a moment, but then it’ll bounce back like nothing

    • Devouring@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Yep… it surprises me that people still think that the internet has principles or cares. Haven’t we seen how weak people are for reddit already?

      • AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de
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        2 years ago

        I can’t tell you how disappointed I am on how this ended. I really thought the “Landed Gentry” quip would have had the pouring gasoline to be out a fire effect.

  • nonearther@lemmy.mlEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    Let’s see what happens in a month or 3.

    Even Reddit lost viewers, but they are almost back to original.

    People will forget and carry on with LTT subscription.

    • golli@lemm.ee
      0·
      2 years ago

      You are absolutely right that this won’t lead to their collapse. But i would still say that in both reddits and LTT’s case, even if the numbers revert back, it will have an affect longterm.

      For reddit the content quality has likely gone down and suddenly there is a viable alternative in Lemmy, which might have never gotten the chance to get of the ground otherwise. Within a month Lemmy suddenly has a decent amount of content, some communities have migrated here, and we have a number of high quality apps to choose from.

      With LTT i think this does also have the potential to hurt them, even if the subscriber numbers come back up. They’ve been in a process of rapid expansion for a while now, so merely getting back to those numbers or slightly growing won’t cut it. Additionally i think with floatplane and the lab they’ve been heavily investing into their image as a reputable and trusted company for consumers. Particularly the lab where they’ve heavily invested. Even if ultimately the average less informed consumer is their target market, for that they will also need enthusiasts to recommend them to those.

  • HankScorpio@aussie.zone
    0·
    2 years ago

    I unsubbed a couple of weeks ago because they released that always live video thing and it gave me the shits seeing the icon

  • poke@sh.itjust.works
    0·
    2 years ago

    I completely understand why others are unsubbing, but I enjoy the content and want to see how the new CEO ends up handling all of this. Threads like this seem to be inviting everyone to post about how they never liked LTT in the first place, but I wanted to write this down because I’m sure I’m not the only one who actually enjoyed the content and the cool technology and unique solutions they found when building PCs and cooling them.

    • clanginator@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      Yeah I think LTT has done a lot of great stuff and could do some really amazing stuff yet. I enjoy the content and have supported them, but nobody’s perfect. I don’t think anything they’ve done is worth an unfollow at this point, personally, but I understand why some may not agree.

      I think Linus has gotten lost in the sauce. It’s been apparent that everyone there has been exhausted for a while, and I think Linus hasn’t cared for the people working for him as much as his desire for a media empire, which has led to overworking and an unsustainable work environment.

      Linus’ take on unions was shitty. IDK if a union could ever start there, but it seems like it could really help the company become more sustainable and keep it on course, because it seems like if the employees had their voices heard things might not have got so bad.

    • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      2 years ago

      I unsubscribed to show them how seriously I take the issues. If they improve and the investigation succeeds, I will resubscribe. And I did enjoy LTT, which is why I was subscribed.

    • Delphia@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I really do like his content, I put it on generally when I get home from work and Im cooking dinner.

      I’m willing to buy that this was a series of unintentional fuckups and accidentally bad business practices. But I’m also not going to support them if they cant conduct their business ethically, so thats why I unsubbed and shitcanned my Floatplane subscription.

      If I feel that they addressed this shit to standards that I’m willing to support their business I’ll probably click the buttons again.

    • Pantsofmagic@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I agree, though I stopped taking their hardware reviews seriously. I could tell they were rushing and being sloppy. One of the things I was starting to get excited about was their pushing of manufacturers to improve repairability. I love what framework is doing, for example. Steve is big on this as well, but the more voices the better. The amount of stuff going into landfills is really starting to bother me.

    • TheWheelMustGoOn@feddit.de
      0·
      2 years ago

      I mean I don’t watch GPU reviews because they are mostly boring anyways. I only watch for the janky videos and pushing the boundaries and building wanly stuff.

      The Madison claims need to be taken serious, but it’s not like this couldn’t be individuals that need to be singled out and kicked out.

      So I really don’t get the rage

    • CeeBee@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      the cool technology and unique solutions they found

      Cool technology they barely know how to use. The storage server and Linux challenge videos demonstrated that very nicely. These guys are not tech experts.

  • Obinice@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    I remember hearing about this guy enough that I was interested so I subscribed, and checked out a video of his once, I forget the topic but the title sounded pretty interesting. This was a few years ago.

    Within 3 minutes I had unsubscribed. Why?

    Well, he spent the first few minutes of the video being an annoyingly arrogant rich guy whilst also wasting time on things that had nothing at all to do with the topic of the video.

    It was when he had his camera man follow him through his house or office or whatever it was, tacky “check out my millionaire crib” style, like a show for kids, and he went into a room, pointed at a big wall of NAS racks and said something like “I’ve got thousands and thousands of dollars worth of hard drives and I don’t even use them! Hahaha”, and I was like… Yeah. Screw this guy.

    Some people might like a guy who baits grown up tech viewers with an interesting topic only to then waste their time with childish, arrogant behaviour, but I clocked him as a tosser within 3 minutes and never bothered with him again.

    That’s just my personal experience, I can’t imagine what having to be around someone like that every day would do to a person, my gosh :-(

    • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
      0·
      2 years ago

      It’s really unfortunate because their early content was actually pretty entertaining. They’d document the fun projects they were doing, or showcase some wacky PC build they were doing, or they’d have PC build competitions where they’d have to build a themed PC within a certain budget, and they’d be judged at the end. I don’t think those competitions had prizes, they just did it for fun. Most of their content was just for fun. They’d do sponsored stuff or reviews here and there, but for the most part it was just for fun.

      Then Linus became a multi millionaire, and the whole thing went to shit.

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      I never got the appeal of any influencer flaunting their shit. Look, I’m happy your successful, good on you, but I watch videos to learn and grow, I really don’t give a shit how many cars you have unless you’re going to be teaching me about each one’s internals and unique features.

      • Obinice@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Exactly! If he’d started with “look at how many hard drives I have set up in here” and then went on to show a really interesting novel use for them, I’d have maybe stuck around.

        Though his personality was a little over the top regardless, but that can be forgiven in small doses if the content is particularly unique and engaging.

    • Deca@lemmy.world
      0·
      2 years ago

      He’s literally the male version of the Kardashians. Tech bros are super obsessed with him

    • verve@lemmy.caBanned
      0·
      2 years ago

      I don’t understand how the channel even got that popular in the first place with Sinus’ personality being what it is

    • mihor@lemmy.ml
      01·
      2 years ago

      Sounds like the stupid TV show Top Gear. I never liked those annoying smug idiots, I watched Fifth Gear instead.

      • Obinice@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        Funny you should mention Top Gear! As someone from the UK, I’m embarrassed that Jeremy Clarkson is famous globally, he’s such a bigoted, xenophobic, sexist man, and an embarrassment to our country :-(

        • mihor@lemmy.ml
          0·
          2 years ago

          I know, right? But then again you have the likes of Tiff Needell who is a great racecar driver with a really nice personality and is a perfect TV presenter.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
        0·
        2 years ago

        It’s interesting that you talk about top gear because top gear was an entertainment show first and a car show 87th. If you think top gear was a car show you missed the point.

  • Snowcano@startrek.websiteEnglish
    0·
    2 years ago

    I was never subbed anyway, but I also made sure to find a LTT vid and click on “don’t recommend channel” on YouTube.

    Nuking from orbit is the only way to be sure.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      0·
      2 years ago

      click on “don’t recommend channel” on YouTube.

      I’m not very into the tube and had no idea this is an option. I’ll use this going forward. Thanks!

      • smackjack@lemmy.world
        0·
        2 years ago

        It’s great for when a video that you don’t want to watch just will not get off your homepage.