• Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 days ago

    Ironically the ability to not have a car is also flex on wealth in the US because you would have to be able to afford to live and work in a region that is incredibly limited and expensive. In most of the US cars aren’t luxury toys, they’re a needed appliance and many employers will refuse to hire you without one.

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      5 days ago

      That’s 100% due to government policy. Those places are highly desirable places to live as evidenced by the high prices, but they are limited in supply only because it’s illegal to build new ones. We used to build efficient places out of economical necessity, then for the usual reason (racism), we codified an extravagant, wasteful built environment as the default, or only, option.

      Cars are still luxury toys, they’re just required by law.

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          5 days ago

          That’s not exactly true. While yes, the car isn’t required but there are zoning restrictions on density of housing and mixed use spaces making the car needed to accommodate.

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          I’m going to stipulate here that you don’t get to have it both ways, to say that a car is both essential to American life, but not required by law. See, it’s laws that shape the human environment to make one essential: Parking minimums, building codes, zoning, lending standards, driver’s licenses as default photo ID, and so on.

          If it’s laws that make cars required to live, then they’re de facto required by law.

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            4 days ago

            Okay, but they aren’t literally required by law. You’re just making a case for them being a necessity not everyone truly wants.

            Plenty of people don’t own vehicles, and they are not getting in trouble with our legal system for simply making that choice.

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              Yes, but it’s a hair-splitting distinction that it’s not a law is not an individual mandate that each citizen own one. There are plenty of other laws that do literally require cars. For that matter, it’s required by law that we have Social Security Numbers, and that’s just a side note in a discussion about their role in our society.