The only thing I said against them was that they didn’t accomplish much in practical terms, which apparent translated to an undying hatred according to tankie morons who love to talk about me, lol.
I’m nowhere near as well known to the tankies as PugJesus and still have recieved multiple “go die in Ukraine retard” type comments. Politeness really isn’t a tankie strength.
“Claims to adore Marx, but seems to decry every single movement to put his ideas into practice”
Didn’t Marx disown the Russian Revolution and other violent attempts at implementing communism? Y’know, the very factions these guys put on a pedestal?
No, Marx didn’t live long enough to see the Russian Revolution, and Marx was certainly not adverse to violent revolution. Though he mused that some sufficiently democratic bourgeois societies might be capable of a peaceful transition to socialism, it was certainly not the focus of his writings. Funny enough, he did suggest that Russia was the least ready for socialism of all the major European nations.
Marx, however, believed that development into a bourgeois capitalist society was a necessary prerequisite for a socialist dictatorship of the proletariat. The Bolsheviks were a radical departure from this line of thinking, proposing both that the peasantry were a revolutionary class and that a capitalist mode of production was not necessary to transition to a socialist workers’ state. In addition, the Bolsheviks, despite their claims, were quite anti-democratic, which goes strongly against the spirit and letter of Marx’s writings.
The Bolsheviks were quite well aware that socialism would be impossible in just Russia because it was pre-capitalist, and were banking on the success of the German Revolution to establish socialist supply chains. This is why with the failure of the revolutionary in Germany, the NEP was considered a tactical retreat.
A ‘tactical retreat’ here meaning ‘exactly what they overthrew the right-SRs and eliminated the Mensheviks for supporting’, except now, conveniently, all in the control of the Bolsheviks. Hell, half the reason that the NEP was implemented was because the peasantry were resisting collectivization, and the other half was that the ‘war communism’ of the civil war period had been fucking ruinous; not a well-considered ideological decision. Not only that, but the NEP was extremely short-lived, far too short to build up industry to the standards of a capitalist mode of production, and if it was up to Lenin, it would’ve been even shorter-lived.
Considering the Bolsheviks literally invented Democratic Centralism and made the USSR into a democracy, its definitely not fair to call them “anti-democratic”.
Democratic centralism is not democratic, and the USSR definitely was not fucking democratic in any real sense.
Regardless of its merits, there’s no denying that war communism won the Bolsheviks the civil war.
In the sense that they had lost support of the people, that the economy had fallen apart, and only by plundering the peasantry with ‘war communism’ could they keep their effort going? Uh, sure.
Not really. The USSR just moved toward a state capitalist model, and Stalin managed a social democracy attempting to build just that, industry up to the standards of a capitalist mode of production.
“Stalin managed a social democracy”
Jesus fucking Christ.
“Democracy is not democratic”. The USSR had elections, representatives, an elected parliament, decisions were made by majoritarianism, it was pretty clearly democratic.
Oh, okay, so Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were democracies too, right? They had elections, representatives, an elected parliament…
Nah. Here it’s topical. Elsewhere, it’s just attention-seeking. Who gives a shit about online drama between tankies and a non-tankie poster? People on a comm for online tankie drama, maybe, but not people in a normal meme sub.
“AES” is ‘actually existing socialism’. To tankies, this means things like “The Soviet Union”, “The PRC”, “North Korea”, and “Venezuela”
Wow you’re an acronym now, congrats
From last time I searched my name on the tankie instances:
I’d be interested in what you have to say against the black panther party, if you have the time.
The only thing I said against them was that they didn’t accomplish much in practical terms, which apparent translated to an undying hatred according to tankie morons who love to talk about me, lol.
wild
Fucking hell, one person explicitly states they want you to die. Absolutely unhinged.
At least it’s in Ukraine. That doesn’t help, but it’s certainly something.
I’m nowhere near as well known to the tankies as PugJesus and still have recieved multiple “go die in Ukraine retard” type comments. Politeness really isn’t a tankie strength.
Which is why we need to recognize when they at least take into account our support for Ukraine. It’s not much, but it’s something.
HB wouldn’t know nothing about that, lol
“Claims to adore Marx, but seems to decry every single movement to put his ideas into practice”
Didn’t Marx disown the Russian Revolution and other violent attempts at implementing communism? Y’know, the very factions these guys put on a pedestal?
No, Marx didn’t live long enough to see the Russian Revolution, and Marx was certainly not adverse to violent revolution. Though he mused that some sufficiently democratic bourgeois societies might be capable of a peaceful transition to socialism, it was certainly not the focus of his writings. Funny enough, he did suggest that Russia was the least ready for socialism of all the major European nations.
Marx, however, believed that development into a bourgeois capitalist society was a necessary prerequisite for a socialist dictatorship of the proletariat. The Bolsheviks were a radical departure from this line of thinking, proposing both that the peasantry were a revolutionary class and that a capitalist mode of production was not necessary to transition to a socialist workers’ state. In addition, the Bolsheviks, despite their claims, were quite anti-democratic, which goes strongly against the spirit and letter of Marx’s writings.
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A ‘tactical retreat’ here meaning ‘exactly what they overthrew the right-SRs and eliminated the Mensheviks for supporting’, except now, conveniently, all in the control of the Bolsheviks. Hell, half the reason that the NEP was implemented was because the peasantry were resisting collectivization, and the other half was that the ‘war communism’ of the civil war period had been fucking ruinous; not a well-considered ideological decision. Not only that, but the NEP was extremely short-lived, far too short to build up industry to the standards of a capitalist mode of production, and if it was up to Lenin, it would’ve been even shorter-lived.
Democratic centralism is not democratic, and the USSR definitely was not fucking democratic in any real sense.
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In the sense that they had lost support of the people, that the economy had fallen apart, and only by plundering the peasantry with ‘war communism’ could they keep their effort going? Uh, sure.
“Stalin managed a social democracy”
Jesus fucking Christ.
Oh, okay, so Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were democracies too, right? They had elections, representatives, an elected parliament…
Oh, wait, is the DPRK a democracy too?
You should post this to !memes@lemmy.world
Nah. Here it’s topical. Elsewhere, it’s just attention-seeking. Who gives a shit about online drama between tankies and a non-tankie poster? People on a comm for online tankie drama, maybe, but not people in a normal meme sub.
Its home is here.
Besides, it’s like 7 months old at this point.