This is not “false” this is just “pants on fire lying”
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can’t be responsible, you can’t have the right. You either speak the truth or don’t get to speak to groups, period
I’m SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that’s fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that’s fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it’s all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can’t trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
Who decides what is true though? In China the gov’t ensures no ‘misinformation’ is spread on their social platforms… Is something like that a good solution for you?
Of course that is an issue but we’ve arrived at a point where I think that is less of an issue than the rampant “everybody and everything is a lie, there is no objective truth anymore, but everybody claims to have the absolute, factual, and moral truth anyway”
The current situation is unsustainable. You can’t have a normal civil discussion about climate change because the other side screeches that climate change is fake news, then shits on the table.
You can’t do anything if you can’t at least agree on what is factual truth and oh boy, Republicans and conservatives just put so much lies and bullshit out there that it’s just not doable anymore
It has to stop. So normal people like you and me, fine, talk. But websites must contain FACTUAL information, or be very clearly labeled “fiction, not factual”. If the site contains information that is known to be false, just have some DMCA like ayatem that will remove it from the Internet.
What source is factual? Anything not supported by a single government, anything that is not funded by any for profit company. Wikipedia is a good example. Sure, it’s far from perfect but it’s a 100 times more reliable than anything else out there and you gotta start with something.
Make an independent government funded group that can work no matter who’s in charge at the government, and they are tasked with checking facts.
If someone with power (politician, famous actor, comoany, whatever) makes some false statement, have it labelled as such and fine them. They don’t repeatedly, remove their Internet posting privileges. They circumvent that? Jail them.
Its either that or humanity will be over. This current anarchy is used by various actors for only their personal benefit, and they all have the “I don’t care if the world burns if I can rule the ashes. I have matches” attitude. How much more of this bullshit do you think we can have? What do you think will happen once AI picture and videos are perfected? You won’t be able to trust anything ever again, the Internet will effectively be dead and only conspiracy wing nuts will use it to read the latest outrageous lie to incentive them to commit some terror attack.
It’s not freedom of expression that’s the issue here; it’s the devaluation of responsible public influence such as (but not limited to) quality journalism. Lots of news agencies that used to be reputable are either going out of business or getting bought out by shady people. Hicks (I should know) have always been able to stand at the edge of their property yelling bullshit. The problem is people started listening and putting them up in the town square to yell bullshit (sometimes they even get paid!).
I fully agree we need to have independent journalists. People won’t pay for news anymore so governments should fund independent journalists through some sort of independent foundation. International foundation, preferably.
But beyond that, it matters little if we still have Alex Jones who somehow has actual listeners, or Fox news which is just a 24/7 bullshit pump with a large userbase.
We need to stop people, organizations, and companies from being able to lie to large groups. You lie? The lie gets immediately marked as being a lie. Not “this is not entirely true”, no, “this is a lie”. Repeat offenders should be fined depending on their worth. You are worth a billion dollars? Get a 100 million dollar fine. Still don’t listen? Jail time, doesn’t matter who you are.
Its either that or I see this world dead within the decade. With AI pictures and videos getting better every day, with AI becoming better at posting, how long do you think we have until we have a dead Internet with only AI posting lies and all extremist humans ready to commit mass murder because the AI bots have been telling them that the Jewish space lasers will make your frog children gay or something?
The Internet gave a bullhorn to idiots and cheaters and though I was one of the earlier users, loving it’s thinking it would rescue the world, now I’m of the opinion that it will doom us all
If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going “bullshit!” for the big liars.
The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they’ve been caught on of all the “media personalities” (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).
Part of the reason the Press won’t do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they’re actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people’s lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.
This is not “false” this is just “pants on fire lying”
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can’t be responsible, you can’t have the right. You either speak the truth or don’t get to speak to groups, period
I’m SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that’s fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that’s fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it’s all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can’t trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
OOF
OOF?
Who decides what is true though? In China the gov’t ensures no ‘misinformation’ is spread on their social platforms… Is something like that a good solution for you?
Of course that is an issue but we’ve arrived at a point where I think that is less of an issue than the rampant “everybody and everything is a lie, there is no objective truth anymore, but everybody claims to have the absolute, factual, and moral truth anyway”
The current situation is unsustainable. You can’t have a normal civil discussion about climate change because the other side screeches that climate change is fake news, then shits on the table.
You can’t do anything if you can’t at least agree on what is factual truth and oh boy, Republicans and conservatives just put so much lies and bullshit out there that it’s just not doable anymore
It has to stop. So normal people like you and me, fine, talk. But websites must contain FACTUAL information, or be very clearly labeled “fiction, not factual”. If the site contains information that is known to be false, just have some DMCA like ayatem that will remove it from the Internet.
What source is factual? Anything not supported by a single government, anything that is not funded by any for profit company. Wikipedia is a good example. Sure, it’s far from perfect but it’s a 100 times more reliable than anything else out there and you gotta start with something.
Make an independent government funded group that can work no matter who’s in charge at the government, and they are tasked with checking facts.
If someone with power (politician, famous actor, comoany, whatever) makes some false statement, have it labelled as such and fine them. They don’t repeatedly, remove their Internet posting privileges. They circumvent that? Jail them.
Its either that or humanity will be over. This current anarchy is used by various actors for only their personal benefit, and they all have the “I don’t care if the world burns if I can rule the ashes. I have matches” attitude. How much more of this bullshit do you think we can have? What do you think will happen once AI picture and videos are perfected? You won’t be able to trust anything ever again, the Internet will effectively be dead and only conspiracy wing nuts will use it to read the latest outrageous lie to incentive them to commit some terror attack.
It’s not freedom of expression that’s the issue here; it’s the devaluation of responsible public influence such as (but not limited to) quality journalism. Lots of news agencies that used to be reputable are either going out of business or getting bought out by shady people. Hicks (I should know) have always been able to stand at the edge of their property yelling bullshit. The problem is people started listening and putting them up in the town square to yell bullshit (sometimes they even get paid!).
Yes and no
I fully agree we need to have independent journalists. People won’t pay for news anymore so governments should fund independent journalists through some sort of independent foundation. International foundation, preferably.
But beyond that, it matters little if we still have Alex Jones who somehow has actual listeners, or Fox news which is just a 24/7 bullshit pump with a large userbase.
We need to stop people, organizations, and companies from being able to lie to large groups. You lie? The lie gets immediately marked as being a lie. Not “this is not entirely true”, no, “this is a lie”. Repeat offenders should be fined depending on their worth. You are worth a billion dollars? Get a 100 million dollar fine. Still don’t listen? Jail time, doesn’t matter who you are.
Its either that or I see this world dead within the decade. With AI pictures and videos getting better every day, with AI becoming better at posting, how long do you think we have until we have a dead Internet with only AI posting lies and all extremist humans ready to commit mass murder because the AI bots have been telling them that the Jewish space lasers will make your frog children gay or something?
The Internet gave a bullhorn to idiots and cheaters and though I was one of the earlier users, loving it’s thinking it would rescue the world, now I’m of the opinion that it will doom us all
Indeed.
If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going “bullshit!” for the big liars.
The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they’ve been caught on of all the “media personalities” (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).
Part of the reason the Press won’t do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they’re actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people’s lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.