Selfish behaviour, wasting public money because they don’t like a scheme created to improve the health of normal Londoners.
I hope they’ll just be repaired, I’d imagine people won’t keep doing it for that long, only at the moment because it’s new. Eventually they’ll become used to it.
Why do you want surveillance cameras?
How else do you propose to run the ULEZ system bar toll booths all over London to pay at as you drive?
Imagine the backlash and congestion if they did that.
Exactly, numberplate cameras are the best bet to manage this.
The people pulling them down aren’t making some brave stand against surveillance, they’re just arseholes annoyed they’re now facing some consequences for the damage their out of date vehicles cause to other people.
The UK has one of the highest numbers of surveillance cameras per person, this is just a fact of life that people are used to. The ULEZ cameras are typically ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition), the government already know what cars you own and how polluting they are. You can’t deny that these low emission zones are decreasing air pollution and London needs it. The attacks on the cameras are because they are adding surveillance but because it is £12.50p per day if your car does not meet standards so is an added “tax” for living in London which is being forced on the local councils with little thought for the individual circumstance.
There is a Channel 4 show a while ago called Hunted which mimics the levels of surveillance the police have to track contestants down, it is both scary and interesting how much they can work out and track down.
It’s not a tax, you can easily avoid paying it by just getting a compliant car, can’t get out of taxes so easily.
True, tax is probably not the best word hence the “”, fine is better, or just charge.
Why do you support people spewing PM2.5 particulates?
I hope not.
So you want to get people become used to surveillance? Keep in mind that 1984 was a warning, not a handbook.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
More than 300 cameras installed for London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone (Ulez) were vandalised or stolen between April and August, the BBC can reveal.
TfL is planning to install a total of 2,750 cameras before the expansion comes into force at the end of August.
Abbie Mires, who works in the area, said the “harsh action” of targeting Ulez cameras was justified.
Husband and wife, Roy and Linda McKensie had to get rid of two cars ahead of the Ulez expansion, but said they did not agree with cameras being tampered with.
The only figure the BBC has seen was an estimate cost of the planned expansion from November 2022, which was about £159.5m based on assumptions at that time.
This includes spend for systems design, development and testing; on-street infrastructure design, procurement and delivery including camera installation and signage; marketing and media campaign; and legal and consultation costs.
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This is literally the only crime London prosecutors will go after LOL
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Good, I hope they keep getting destroyed. The government should not be spying on their own citizens
ULEZ is about health. If the fumes from the car is so healthy, please show me the data that supports that.
The idiots destroying this cameras will be paying more in council tax to replace them. That really sounds like an intelligent approach.
If it was about health, Sadiq Khan would be doing something about the terrible pollution in the underground. But that pollution isn’t from cars, so he doesn’t care.
The pandemic did provide Transport for London (TfL), who manage the Underground, the opportunity to make some improvements. Ventilation systems were assessed and according to the Mayor’s Transport Strategy Update in 2021 “the London Underground ventilation infrastructure is typically designed in excess of statutory minimum requirements with an adequate provision of fresh air.”
You don’t fix a problem with constant whataboutisms, and certainly not with whataboutisms with no credibility.
How else do you practically propose to run ULEZ?
You don’t. Civil disobedience is fine for Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil, but not for this?
Keep pumping particulates into your children’s lungs
Good. Fuck surveillance.
If you object to surveillance you should have objected about 20 years ago.
This is nothing to do with surveillance and everything to do with people wanting to go to drive their massive 4x4 around in a city.
I get why they’re not happy about it, but at the same time sod them and their NIMBY attudes. The reason that these laws are necessary is because people will insist on buying stupid massive cars that do 8 miles to the gallon.
OR drive Diesels without particle filters fitted. There is zero evidence that the information stored by ULEZ is anything more than the registrations of cars that are more dangerous than is acceptable. If you are part of the 90% of people who drive cars within the standard then there is no need to keep the information on file.
That could be done quite easy by just increase the tax on more wasteful and polluting cars. No need to put up cameras at each corner.
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Also to there being more people.ULEZ is about particulates, not gas guzzling. Unfortunately, it won’t take many SUVs off the road. It affects petrol cars registered before 2006 and diesels before 2015.
90% of cars (and 95% of trips) are already compliant. There is a scrappage scheme to help people switch to a compliant model.
So you don’t support measures to clean the air in London then?
That could be more easily achieved by increasing the taxes on polluting cars in general. There is no need for cameras at every corner.
Except that’s it only applies to London, any change to vehicle tax would have to come from central government.
Less fuel-wasting cars anywhere would be a win-win over CCTV everywhere.
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Or just forbidding them in general… But no, cameras! The awnser for all your
SurveillanceClimate Change questions.This is like being against encryption of private messages because pedophiles could use that…
Yes, fuck surveillance. Driving is licensed and regulated. If you don’t want to be tracked, leave your phone at home and wear suitable clothing. Ride a bike or walk.
I’m honestly amazed you’re being down voted. It’s actually scary to me that people are ok with, and defending surveillance like this.
I’m amazed your are defending the use of old, polluting vehicle that contribute to chronic ill-health
You think mass surveillance of the London area is the only way to handle pollution? You honestly think that?
I think that if you are looking to reduce vehicle pollution, using number-plate readers for that specific purpose is a proportionate measure, yes. They are already used for the central London congestion charge and outer borough LTN enforcement
