• frezik
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    8 hours ago

    That’s overly simplistic. Fascists and theocrats work together to gain power for all the time. See the current marriage of Trump and Christian Nationalists in the United States, for example.

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      6 hours ago

      That has nothing to do with my claim which is specific to Islam. As Islam posits a caliphate as the ideal state it is incompatible with fascism which requires faith to be subservient to the state. Iran cannot be as Muslim fascist theocracy

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        3 hours ago

        There is often a very large gap between what is seen as ideal and what pans out in reality. Fascism is absolutely a possible result of an attempt to establish a caliphate, just as an authoritarian dictatorship or oligarchy - sooner or later - is a possible result of an attempt to establish communism.

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          2 hours ago

          If you end up fascist you cannot be a Muslim theocratic state which is what Islam posits as the ideal this you cannot have a state that is both fascist and an Islamic theocracy. This combination is entirely possible for other faiths that do not posit an ideal state.

          You cannot be both.

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            2 hours ago

            You’re making a pure semantics argument, saying that an “Islamic theocracy” means something so specific that even if a fascist regime could be considered both Islamic and a theocracy, you can’t call it that because only caliphates qualify for that label. It’s a bit silly.

            • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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              42 minutes ago

              No I am not making a semantic argument. The role if faith in a theocracy and the role of the state religion in a fascist state are entirely different.

              The only theocratic state that can exist in Islam is a caliphate. That’s literally what is in the Quran. There’s no nuance or room for debate here.

              Do you hate Islam? Is that why this is so hard for you to grasp?