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Most all of this system of control was predicted by Orwell, Ministry of Plenty concerned with rationing, Ministry of Peace concerned with war, Ministry of Truth concerned with disinformation and the Ministry of Love concerned with torture and interrogation.
Not quite. Yes… But not quite. This isn’t the edgy realization you think it is. But, it’s a start.
The course of capitalism. Incentives are not aligned with human prosperity
Right, but the incentives are aligned with the prosperity of individuals who figure out how to use them, so they do. It may look like one group vs another, but it’s really each capitalist against everybody else in the world, with a few alliances that are abandoned when they stop working.
Exactly!
Oh, come off it! Pharma is keeping us sick, really? Listen to yourself!
Thank you. Pharma has other issues that aren’t good for society but believing this is for the absolute tinfoil hat crew.
Have you heard of Perdue Pharmaceuticals, by chance?
Is this /s or not I can’t tell. Well they definitely benefit from drugs that you have to constantly take. For years. Until you die. That’s their business model. If there could be a drug that cures you instantly, there is no effort to develop it by this company who sells you this constant supply of drug. So yes. Pharma has an interest in you staying sick enough to need treatment and not die.
This is common knowledge. And now this country wants to prevent people from getting vaccines. Not my fault you haven’t been paying attention.
Pharma wants to keep us sick by keeping us from their product? Hear yourself mate!
I am semi-certain that because of their corporate interest that the orange fucks cracker won’t dare ban it!
They will take the path that leads them to the most profits.
For sure, via increasing prices not by selling snake oil
What part of our medical science do you doubt? You mentioned that they wanna ban vaccines so I reckon you trust them, what about surgeries, prescriptions? Maybe diagnostic tests?
What part?
Opioids are safe and not habit forming, according to the FDA.
Which opioids? Codeine? Wont even relieve your stronger headache
Out of curiosity, as a bioengineer, what do you think what opiods are?
Did you actually sleep through the last 25 years?
How the fuck dare you defend Purdue pharma and the FDA.
We must have got mixed up. I don’t doubt medical science in any way. My point is that the corporations dealing the stuff would rather withhold an actual cure if it means it’ll make them more money. Failing that, they’ll jack up the prices.
Medical insurance and big pharma are two separate entities
You’re right, one tries to kill you after they’ve extracted all your money, the other bribes journals and regulators to get you addicted to drugs that kill you after you can no longer afford them.
Except that finding a cure for any disease would be insanely profitable. I think even health insurance companies would prefer that their members are healthy so they can just charge premiums without having to pay anything out. This whole “big pharma is hiding the cure for X for profits” conspiracy has always been garbage when you actually consider it for than a second
Banks and pharma comments are for sure trash. Weapons… Also trash. The idea is to dominate and that’s what you pay extra for. These are all industries I have personally worked for or my wife has.
The media is going to tell you the truthiest thing that gets clicks for engagement so that’s basically true.
This is mostly tin foil hat except the government bit at the bottom that is legit trying to fuck us all (I worked for them too).
Edit: Your word of the day is “verisimilitude”. Or alternatively “specious”.
No…
Banks make a ton of money from debt.
Pharma makes a ton of money treating symptoms.
Weapons cannot be sold if there are no wars to use them in.
If you actually take a minute to think about it logically you’ll see where the profits come from
Edit: it’s not that they’re doing it intentionally to ruin our lives. But they are doing it intentionally, for profit. And the intentionality to follow the profit is what’s making the standard of living worse for everyone
Yes, because you have to use logic that goes deeper than surface level.
Banks make a ton of money from people making interest payments on debt they (the borrowers) can support. Depending on the diversification of the bank they also make a ton on investing the money they hold for you. Comparatively little money is made from collections for defaulting on debt, overdraft fees, account fees, and so on. So “bankers will keep you in debt” doesn’t make a lot of sense. The banks don’t set the price of the stuff you want, they only compete with other banks to give you a better rate on things you’ve already decided to buy. There’s no small room of people trying to up your payments or interest rates and hoping you won’t notice. It would be bank suicide.
Pharma is the same. Sure they treat side effects, but the main point (besides introducing new drugs that pass non inferiority studies to get new patients, which is predatory for sure) is to sell drugs that have good outcomes. It makes a lot more sense to sell the cure for cancer and charge a ton for it than it does to make a cure, make sure it has side effects, and magically keep it secret through FDA trials. This is like “the moon landing was faked” kind of bad logic. It sounds to me like “Oh, UPS needs to deliver packages to make money, so I bet they intentionally lose one in every 5 to generate more traffic!”. Just… No. Thats how you put your non-monopoly company right out of business.
Weapons also ABSOLUTELY can be and are sold when there is no war. You don’t need war at all. You need fear. If you needed war to sell weapons, nuclear weapons and the cold war are the perfect counter example.
Now maybe you’ve got your head on straight because for sure these sectors all want to maximize profit and there is certainly room for that, but “bankers keep you in debt, pharma keeps you sick, and weapon companies (prime contractors mostly) keep us at war” is nothing short of conspiratorial ignorance. The actual original post is stupid and sanewashing it still doesn’t make it remotely true.
“Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom.”
― Michael Ellner
I have genuinely written that on the wall of an isolation cell in my own blood. I was denied my prescription medication.
And the stupids are going to reduce everything to one-liners
Mutually Assured Dominance!
Taken together it really does look like a conspiracy of elites vs commoners, but it’s really just elites individually and in small alliances doing what they think will benefit them individually. No elite will support a system they can’t personally control. they only take advantage of parts of it that benefit them, and try to create more of those parts. Collectively this makes it look like they’re all working together, until some issue comes up that benefits one and hurts another. Then they throw each other under the bus, which sometimes benefits the rest of us.
The corporate leaders will work to keep their profits up.
If that means keeping us healthy and telling the truth, then that is what they will do.
Bankers thrive off of loans and weapon manufacturers do thrive off of war though.
A sick person want to get healthy, and if a drug can’t do that, most people won’t buy it.
The media needs trust for people to consume news, truth is a hugely important commodity.
If a drug makes someone feel better despite not helping with the underlying issue, people will buy it. Even if that drug is known to cause issues. Painkillers is a whole category that does the first part and contain ones that also do the second, some by wrecking your liver, others with addiction.
Yes?
I did not say otherwise?
A sick person want to get healthy, and if a drug can’t do that, most people won’t buy it.
You said that. And I think there’s a difference between feeling better and getting healthy. Feeling better is more about treating the symptoms while getting healthy is about dealing with the underlying issues causing the symptoms.
Those drugs that target symptoms instead of underlying causes still sell well.
Also Alex Jones built up his empire in part by selling “brain pills” that wouldn’t do much other than maybe give you lead poisoning, depending on who his source at the time was. Health shit sells as much on hope as it does on results, and with the placebo effect on top of it, people can strongly believe that something that hurts them is actually helping them.
I do not know if you mean this serious? I mean an anarchhocapitalist believes all these things you stated to be the truth. Maybe except this:
the media needs trust for people to consume news, truth is a hugely important commodity.
As selling the truth can be profitable as a propaganda tool against enemies in the short term.
These days I have seen people being completely serious when talking like this.
yeah and are you yourself serious? or is this sarcasm on your part?
I am serious
Lol that last one… No. Just no.
Keeping us healthy and telling the truth will never maximize profits.
If the drug can help, the sick person will buy it. If it cures you when the pharmaceutical company can sell one that treats, but does not cure you, then they will not sell you the cure.
Your “gotcha” is weird and useless.
You forget the need for good PR from time to time.
They gotta release a treatment every once in a while to keep public oppinion up to acceptable levels.
Nope! They don’t need PR. They have commercials, at least in the US, which are illegal like, everywhere else on the planet. But if they want the extra boost, they can rely on media attention given to “potential” cures.
If it’s more profitable to treat instead of cure, they will not cure you. Profit line must go up, remember?
Guys this is kinda crossing the line into conspiracy theory territory and, to be frank, enables the whataboutism on the right. Generalized assertions based on “common sense” aren’t insightful or illuminating. Please stop.
Sorry miss chinabook(?), I just wanted to help a brand new community that was still empty yesterday. I know this post is low-effort but it was one of many. I’m going to step back so other content can make its way to the top. I look forward to your contributions in making this new lemmy community great.
Not a miss and it’s a reference to Murray Bookchin, but okay, sorry for not reviving r/iam16andthisisdeep
By executive order you, me and all other americans are now female. Sorry I didn’t get the reference.
Well… okay that’s fair I can’t really disagree with that lol.
Your going to be shit on but true.
It’s just like, I get it and I do agree with the spirit of the post, but are we really going to let grandma-Facebook level memes be what this starts off as?
At some point you will realize you’re not considered equal in the eyes of the law or rulers of the country.
When that happens you can join the rest of us in reality, until then please stop helping the enemy lest you get confused for them.
Lol okay, enjoy your little Facebook echo chamber then, thanks for making us all look a little less credible
… conforming to whatever billionaires say does not make you credible.
It is a fact the US economy is built on consumer debt, there is more unsecured credit card debt in the US than the rest of the world combined.
It is a fact the FDA directly, explicitly, and knowingly caused the opioid crisis.
I agree with you completely, but the meme is making much more sweeping generalizations which are a bad look. It feels less like the substantive arguments in your comments and more like the Tea Party.
It’s from shitter or bsky, There’s a character limit. It is, however, largely correct.
The tea party had the right words, with the wrong intent, like the Nazi party when they pretended to be socialist. Libertarianism is a socialist ideology, the name was just coopted.
How are any of those statements true?
That’s the neat part.
This smells like “they got a cure for cancer!” FUD.
Not sure, here.
- bothSides
- anarchy but yet clean water and hospitals
- emo
Pick the right theme, and help me out?
What theme? A government can’t provide for its citizens without kowtowing to corporate interests? That seems like a narrow view, and maybe these days much more difficult in some countries due to the corporate influence but that just points to corporate interests having too much say in matters, not that the preference is a anarchy.
