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I watched this movie for the first time recently!
I don’t know if it’s Decay as much as just the natural endpoint. The Natural Evolution. That’s where all capitalism is heading.
Was 1920s Germany a decaying capitalist country? I thought fascism is more about hierarchy and subjugation based on establishing a class system and capitalism enables the shifting of resources to deprive the masses of the ability to easily resist. Capitalism helps fascism but they can be independent of each other.
Yes, yes it was. Massive economic struggles post ww1, political instability due to the recent shift away from the monarchy. You have probably seen the images of workers hauling their day’s pay away in a wheelbarrow and kids playing with stacks of money, because the hyperinflation destroyed its value faster than people could even spend it.
America and other countries succumbing to right wing politics are turning fascist but missing the hyper inflation and the collapsed economy.
gestures broadly at 2008
One of the major issues of the past election was literally the economy and inflation. Sure it wasn’t as bad as 1920s Germany but there’s a pretty clear trend that when the economy isn’t doing good for people and they struggle they end up either turning to facism or socialism. And the ruling class will resist socialism with everything they have while ending up capitulating to facism. That’s part of why in Germany the Nazis came to power rather then the communist and socialist parties. And it’s the reason in America why the Democrats fight so hard against people like Bernie to the point they have no good candidates to run and end up giving the win to Trump.
I agree with you on most points but it is true that fascism was aided by a miserable economy in 1920s Germany.
I view it more as capitalism run amok.
No it is not
You are just showcasing your ignorance
Fascism was born from defeat after WW1. It can exist in any economic system
Political system is not equal to economic system
More like you’re just showing your ignorance.
Sorry fascism is only from the Nazi region of Germany or Italy otherwise it’s just sparkling capitalism to you 🙄
Italy fought on the side of the British and French in WWI.
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First of all, very wrong instance to say this. Secondly, that quote is from Lenin not Marx, which means it represents a certain school of Marxism not all Marxists. And finally, maybe actually spend some time understanding what Marx was talking about before you go calling Marxists stupid. You might even end up questioning your capitalist indoctrination and become one of us.
And don’t forget, we don’t hate you, we just hate your ignorance towards us.
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Shouldn’t it be the other way?
“Capitalism is fascism in decay”
Not saying I agree just that, that makes more sense
This literally doesn’t make sense at all
Why? Capitalism consolidated wealth into just a few companies and people. Those people want to be in charge, so they bribe politicians and help them win. The kind of politicians that will take a bribe care more about consolidating their power than representing the people. They rework the government to make it easier to stay in power. This is fascism.
It’s practically a straight line.
There are plenty of ways to mitigate this and protect against it, which the US had. These were systematically dismantled over the years and no one stopped it.
Rich powerful people used fascism to defend their wealth from rising labour unions and socialist tendencies in Germany and elsewhere. This should ring a bell seeing all the tech billionaires rally behind Trump to protect themselves from a Green New Deal, higher minimum wage, environmental regulations and so on
Oh dang, someone tell Germany they’re doing capitalism in the wrong order
So there was no fascism until late-stage capitalism?
That doesn’t make sense.
Do you think about these shitposts or just copy/paste them as quickly as you can?
Late stage capitalism is capitalism in decay. Which lays the ground work for facism. This is because of wealth inequality.
Did you actually think you were clever? Or are you the type of person to complain that schools don’t teach you about taxes?
i don’t understand. one is a form of economy and the other a form of government. how does an economy decay into a government?
Because politics and economics are falsely divided.
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The two are mutually dependent on each other, without the capitalist economy the government would collapse, without government then capitalism would become too unstable and monopolistic, and workers would be able to see it for what it really is, and their revolutionary place within history. The ruling class and their representative politicians makes the rules, the state enforces them with violence, and does other things to create (sort of) false middle classes that effect worker consciousness.
Saying capitalism is an economic system is extremely reductive. Coin currency has existed for a long time, but it isn’t capital. Under capitalism, every aspect of our lives requires money, and every bit of work we do is exploited. We are alienated from nature, from our work, each other and our selves. Wages work is just a temporary form of slavery that you agree to, but without money you have no way to sustain yourself, you have to sell your labor or starve. This isn’t just an economic system it is a whole system of oppression. Fascism is just one of the many forms it takes. On the other end you would have like social democracies.
So the two things, capital and the state, are linked, contradictory, and inseparable. But when you only look at things as objects and not as relationships or the product of human labor (which objectivism/empiricism is not good at doing) then your only option is to categorize and parameterize “things”. This reinforces the existing illusions about capitalism and the state. To see through them, we need to learn to inform our actions with dialectics and humanism.
In what world are economy and government separate? They’re inherently linked. Basically one is a branch of the other.
A country can have one type of government, like monarchy or anarchy or so, and also one type of economy like communism or socialism or so. Of course, there will be some interaction, eg. laws the government makes can affect the economy or the corruption in the government will manifest differently in another type of economy.
If for example, the king in a monarchy decides to switch from capitalism to socialism, there is nothing that forbids the combination with monarchy. Same, if a king gets toppled and the citizens switch to democracy, they can keep their former type of economy. They are very different properties of a nation.
Could you please give me an example of a country that has a monarchy and exercises communism at the same time? I would love to hear about this.
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