ID: A scene from Legally Blonde of a conversation between Warner and Elle in the corridor at Harvard, in 4 panels:
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Warner asks “What happened to the tolerant left?”
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Elle replies, smiling “Who said we were tolerant?”
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Warner continues “I thought you were supposed to be tolerant of all beliefs!”
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Elle looks confused “Why would we tolerate bigotry, inequity, or oppression?”
So you’ll tolerate a little bigotry, as a treat… 🙄
Yes. Outreach is an important part of helping people change their minds.
It’s the same reason you shouldn’t fuck with Jehovah’s Witnesses. By treating them badly, you increase the feeling of isolation they have towards broader society and shove them further into the clutches of the cult.
I think one problem is that Dems have been screaming that every republican candidate in my lifetime will end democracy.
Many republicans have become immune to introspection because of this.
If we label everyone who disgrees with us a fascist it doesn’t serve any purpose, and most likely hinders the progress we’re trying to make.
Every Republican candidate in your lifetime (and tbf many Democrats) did end democracy. It wasn’t any single particular instant, but at this point we’ve been living under oligarchy for over a decade.
You’re right in general, but those screaming Dems were right too.
Lol
You can disengage from political debate and only engage in infighting with your own party or what not, good for you.
Considering most peoples get their politics from their parents and it’s more a football team mentality, I think you’re a little off.
For what it’s worth, a non zero amount of republicans and conservatives didn’t vote for Trump, probably in no small part due to the people in their life who remind them of their humanity. You might not be surprised to hear of estranged family becoming more radicalized by the right once they’ve been cut off. I have people in my life who are conservative and will never believe that abortion is acceptable, but I have been able to share stories of where it was medically necessary and they have changed their mind on supporting a total ban. Is that great? No, not really, but it’s certainly something. I don’t know that I’d call these people “friends” because I don’t really like them or share with them in the way I would my actual friends, but I have had them in my home. Unfortunately, changing hearts and minds requires a little buy in. It’s not always safe for everyone to do, and I get that, but people love to show stories of people becoming deradicalized while hating on people engaging in deradicalization. There are people out there who say “conservatives are good people they’re just misguided”, and I don’t really believe that, but I do believe they can BECOME good people. Obviously, some are a lost cause, but some can be pulled back to reality. I had a Hollywood is all trans/they’re hiding the true science (not a flat earther, just not a believer in the globe??) coworker I eventually turned into a socialist. That doesn’t happen overnight, and if they don’t at least consider you friendly, you’re not gonna see any movement.
You don’t get it. They are just voting for fascism, but they are not fascists themselves. It’s totally cool. Nothing to worry about.
For what it’s worth, a non zero amount of republicans and conservatives didn’t vote for Trump, probably in no small part due to the people in their life who remind them of their humanity. You might not be surprised to hear of estranged family becoming more radicalized by the right once they’ve been cut off. I have people in my life who are conservative and will never believe that abortion is acceptable, but I have been able to share stories of where it was medically necessary and they have changed their mind on supporting a total ban. Is that great? No, not really, but it’s certainly something. I don’t know that I’d call these people “friends” because I don’t really like them or share with them in the way I would my actual friends, but I have had them in my home. Unfortunately, changing hearts and minds requires a little buy in. It’s not always safe for everyone to do, and I get that, but people love to show stories of people becoming deradicalized while hating on people engaging in deradicalization. There are people out there who say “conservatives are good people they’re just misguided”, and I don’t really believe that, but I do believe they can BECOME good people. Obviously, some are a lost cause, but some can be pulled back to reality. I had a Hollywood is all trans/they’re hiding the true science (not a flat earther, just not a believer in the globe??) coworker I eventually turned into a socialist. That doesn’t happen overnight, and if they don’t at least consider you friendly, you’re not gonna see any movement.
I mean, Joe Biden is right of center on the political spectrum. So are all neoliberal centrist democrats now facists?
Did you mean to reply to me? Not sure what this has to do with my comment.
Yes wrong person thanks
This is exactly why my mother is no longer a part of my life. Shes not long for this world (morbid obesity, and severe unchecked mental health issues) and she voted for trump. Leaving me and my 9 year old son to exist in a wasteland of what used to be America. As great as America could have been, it never was. It was so close, yet so far. And then, as good as we had it (not that great) she voted to make it a hundred times worse. And that was it. She simply didn’t care enough about me or my son to do what’s right for the country, and now she dies alone. And it sucks, I wish it was different, but wishing doesn’t change things. And now it’s on her to wish for better things. I blocked her # and all of her side of the family, which keeps texting me to resolve it, people I haven’t talked to in 25 years.
Like fuck off. It’s over. Consider yourself lucky if you don’t live to see the culmination, but I won’t be around to bother to care.
Oops I responded to this comment on the wrong place
… Joe Biden is right of center politically. Do you consider every neoliberal centrist democrat and republican fascist?
That’s pretty reductionist and also untrue.
It’s hard to reconcile, but here are actually Republicans and conservatives that aren’t bigots.
They’re a minority, and a quickly fading one, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Remember, the Republican party of today was formed post civil rights. People cling to their identity and ideas long after reality has left them behind.
Does that make them stupid? No more or less than anyone that clings to any party affiliation past when the party changes.
But there is movement away from the Republican party by those that weren’t bigots that bought into the whole idea (falsely claimed) of reduced government control and free market ideals.
While I tend to think those stances are pretty fucking dumb to begin with, it isn’t bigotry.
The other problem is that as those leave, even more bigots pull off their masks and some of the extremist bigots that weren’t previously engaged in the political structure jump on board.
People are very stupid. We all are in some way or another, usually multiple some ways. One of those forms of stupidity is thinking that change from the inside is the only choice. Another is that you have to pick someone to vote for. Another is that you can resist bigots by engaging with them. And all of those are common among the non bigot Republicans.
I keep running into Republicans and ex Republicans and having to remind them that the party as it exists is not the party they thought it was, that it has used dog whistling and other tools of the so called southern strategy so long and so well that it has transformed into something even worse than the left thought possible.
But they are not all bigots.
That being said, there’s also a good bit of ACAB present too. Those non bigots are still part of the problem, they’re just as responsible for it happening. I would call it ARAB, but that’s a pretty horrible initialism lol. But that’s why identity politics is a horrible thing.