Proof that if you don’t tow the party line, it doesn’t matter what your background is.
Well, yeah? What’s the alternative? “If we like your background it doesn’t really matter what positions you hold - trans people should be allowed generalise a bit and trash feminism, as a treat”?!
I’m queer myself. I will hold you responsible for your words, no matter your background. Especially when it comes to feminism. And that obviously includes women of all backgrounds. If anything I expect more solidarity from them, not less.
The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.
The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.
But working against feminism is bigoted. I feel sorry if someone acts destructively because they had a horrible childhood - nevertheless, acting destructively in itself shouldn’t be tolerated.
I mean who actually benefits from ruining the reputation of feminism? Probably the very people who hurt Queen HawlSera as a child. We’re not doing kids like her any favors by allowing that.
It’s not working against feminism to ask that everyone be considered to the same standard. There’s a world where that is possible. Is it easy? No. But nothing great is ever easy.
Now you’ve lost me - should we all be held to the same standard or should OP be exempt from the general rules of decency because of their background?
Because if we’re talking about the standard of “unfair generalisations are unfair, don’t do it” (which is what I’ve been talking about, don’t know about you) then Queen HawlSera clearly failed to meet it.
That isn’t the gotcha you think it is. HawlSera was sharing their unique experience, which gives them a broader perspective than most (e.g., perspective from, in this circumstance, the two sides in question). Everyone ought to have the chance to be heard. I never said anyone shouldn’t be heard out.
In order to have a world that works for all, you need to seek out and give each perspective a voice. The only exception being bigots. If you can’t see how that’s not the same standard, you can’t be helped.
Well, yeah? What’s the alternative? “If we like your background it doesn’t really matter what positions you hold - trans people should be allowed generalise a bit and trash feminism, as a treat”?!
I’m queer myself. I will hold you responsible for your words, no matter your background. Especially when it comes to feminism. And that obviously includes women of all backgrounds. If anything I expect more solidarity from them, not less.
The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.
But working against feminism is bigoted. I feel sorry if someone acts destructively because they had a horrible childhood - nevertheless, acting destructively in itself shouldn’t be tolerated.
I mean who actually benefits from ruining the reputation of feminism? Probably the very people who hurt Queen HawlSera as a child. We’re not doing kids like her any favors by allowing that.
It’s not working against feminism to ask that everyone be considered to the same standard. There’s a world where that is possible. Is it easy? No. But nothing great is ever easy.
Now you’ve lost me - should we all be held to the same standard or should OP be exempt from the general rules of decency because of their background?
Because if we’re talking about the standard of “unfair generalisations are unfair, don’t do it” (which is what I’ve been talking about, don’t know about you) then Queen HawlSera clearly failed to meet it.
That isn’t the gotcha you think it is. HawlSera was sharing their unique experience, which gives them a broader perspective than most (e.g., perspective from, in this circumstance, the two sides in question). Everyone ought to have the chance to be heard. I never said anyone shouldn’t be heard out.
In order to have a world that works for all, you need to seek out and give each perspective a voice. The only exception being bigots. If you can’t see how that’s not the same standard, you can’t be helped.
HawlSera is generalising feminists, while at the same time critizising them for generalising.
Sorry, thats just not a perspective that deserves to be respected. It deserves to be corrected and criticized.
You seem to have left the conversation about the topic at hand altogether if the only thing you’re willing to talk about is her background.