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Why tf are countries with a suffering middle and lower classes targeting them especially?
To squeeze one more monthly subscription out of them?
To just make then skip the culture they can’t afford?there is proxies, which arnt vpn they will just switch to those.
They will, at best, mildly inconvenienced the pirates.
I’ve been pirating a long time. Not once have I been inconvenienced by any anti-Piracy measure. There’s always another way around.
Having to find a way around is an inconvenience.
lol not really. Not a single piracy measure I’ve ever come across was anything more than a 3-5 minute Google fix away.
“The Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it.”
Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?
I’m not an expert on internet security but I do know there is no way in hell to legislate around blocking internet. Even China’s great firewall isn’t working.
I guess by passing legislation like this you get most people to be compliant, but this is about pirates, who were already actively non compliant in the first place.
The folks who pirate the content are literally going to have to click one extra button or something like that to work around the vpns trying to block stuff…
Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?
Won’t even have to. Just use any VPN provider outside of Italy that doesn’t have to comply with Italian law. lol.
mullvad doesn’t know where you live nor do they care.
Take this with a grain of salt, I am by no means qualified to say anything on this topic with total certainty.
All a VPN does is encrypt traffic between you and the VPN. The VPN Hub you’re connected to has to unencrypted your outbound traffic, fulfilling those requests, and then encrypting inbound traffic back to you. A VPN obscures traffic by allowing you to make your requests from a different location, where thousands of others also do it, all while hiding who is making any requests it fulfills, and hiding your activity from your ISP with encryption. A good VPN will also not keep logs of anything it does, and will have options to connect to Hubs outside of five eyes countries.
This would mean that while the VPN might not know who is making what requests, they would know what those requests are, so they could blacklist illegal content. All this to say a VPN >VPN >VPN > VPN still has a final VPN that has to make the request, and they will know where the request is going and what its for. But unless that final VPN company or Hub is actually inside of Italy they have no jurisdiction.
The real problem with this method is A) who determines what is blacklisted B) How do you enforce this blacklist C) How do you make the blacklist grow as fast as pirates spread out. This is a stupid law that wouldn’t do anything even if the entire world got on board.
I’m sure there will be workarounds.
I think there are plenty of people who would be pirates if it were more convenient, but I suspect the point of diminishing returns for legislation has already been passed. If you’re savvy and dedicated enough to use a VPN in the first place, then this probably won’t stop you. Non-tech-savvy people are already turned off of torrents for half a dozen different reasons.
DNS, though? That will block a lot of people from accessing things like Z-library, which is currently easy enough to access for anyone who knows how to use Google.
China’s measures have been largely successful, unfortunately. It’s still possible to VPN out, but it’s a risk a lot of people are unwilling to take since it could realistically get them in trouble. I’ve lost contact with some friends in China because we have no shared platforms and the increasing blocking measures over the past 10 years finally passed their tolerance threshold.
I guess I could figure out how to use iMessage, which AFAIK is the only end-to-end encrypted messaging service that still works (or at least the only moderately popular one). Makes me wonder how secure it really is if China hasn’t banned it…
China is a whole other can of worms. It’s not so much the firewall, but the regime.
Tor essentially
How exactly will they force compliance for companies not based in Italy, or even the EU?
Making something illegal and actually stopping it are two different things. Also see: drugs.
By banning and blocking all VPN providers not based in Italy.
Sounds like a possible violation of EU rights. Similar practices have cost other governments dearly in the past.
So by going harder on blocking content that China? Because that’s what they do but most of the big providers get through after a day or two of downtime each time the government make a change to block them.
Better yet, how will they determine what is “pirated content”?
Supreme fascist control doesn’t start immediately. It needs to take one small baby step every day.
Never heard of forcing VPN providers to block something. Kinda defeats the purpose. Long live Tor I guess?
It’s a fascist government, they don’t care about reality, just looks.
France has been attempting the exact same thing recently.
Tor + vpn can circumvent these blocks?
Don’t combine. Just use tor or a VPN.
I’ll stop combining them when Tor can punch through the censorship in this country
What? The link you posted didn’t even say that. Just to avoid if your not an advance user. They literally have a page explaining benefits…
What nonsense. If I want my origin to tor to start with a VPN then I will and I’ll be more anonymous because of it.
Australia already has this, but it is extremely easy to circumvent, just use a different VPN.
Don’t even have to go that far, just change your DNS to a non-Australian one. Anything that turns up from a “top 10 dns providers” search works.
Are there even any decent VPN providers operating in Italy? What is the point of this?
I think airvpn is based in Italy
Won’t happen. Enforcing this would cost way too much.
With these kind of news from Southern Europe it’s always about pirate football streams. How much does it cost to watch football legally in Italy?
The only options you have are:
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Dazn Standard (45€/month, 35€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to all the SerieA matches (and a whole bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Dazn Goal Pass (20€/month, 14€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Sky (16€/month for the first 18 months, then whatever Sky wants after that) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other stuff nobody cares about)
Most people care only about some specific matches, so your only option is Dazn.
Dazn is also a very crappy service, it often has connectivity problems and also has ads. Fun fact, if you get a connection issue while watching a Dazn ad, it will restart.
So, as usual, monopoly, high costs and crappy services drive piracy.
Important note: wages in Italy are VERY low. 45€/month is a significant expense.
🤮
Imagine stuffing so much cash in the butt of a rich guy, only to look how other, most likely better earners than you, play against each others using a tiny ball.
I don’t get sports fanatics…
I don’t get sports fanatics…
Most people just want to watch a match of their home town/favourite team maybe once a week. This is very moderate, what’s so bad about that? However in order to do that they either have to either spend an absurd amount of money to get access to all matches, or spend a bit less money to play lottery and hope the match they wanted to watch gets selected.
Wow, that’s way worse than I imagined. No wonder people watch illegal streams!
How many of these soccer stadiums have been build with tax payer money?
I think all the big stadiums actually used for these big matches are privately built and owned?
That would be unusual. Most sports stadiums in most major cities are heavily subsidized by the city/state (e.g. tax payers), especially in public transportation. I’d be surprised if even a small % were 100% privately funded.
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Heh… Good luck forcing VPN to do anything!
Has no log VPN
“We have no record of anything, oh well.”
This is actually about having the power of one person in an office wiping out any internet domain from the country.
Hm, isn’t Airvpn based in Italy?
