Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

  • BigMuffin69@awful.systems
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    To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand why my ouija board writing " A " " S " " S " is not an existential risk. Imo, this shit about AI escaping just doesnā€™t have the same impact on me after watching Claudeā€™s reasoning model fail to escape from Mt Moon for 60 hours.

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      Minor nitpick why did he pick dam as an example, which sometimes have ā€˜leaksā€™ for power generation/water regulation reasons. And not dikes which do not have those things?

      E: non serious (or even less serious) amusing nitpick, this is only the 2% where it got caught. What about the % where GPT realized that it was being tested and decided not to act in the experimental conditions? What if Skynet is already here?

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      So, with Mr. Yudkowsky providing the example, it seems that one can practice homeopathy with ā€œengineering mindset?ā€

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      Wasnā€™t there some big post on LW about how pattern matching isnā€™t intelligence?

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      text: Thus spoke the Yud: ā€œI think to understand why this is concerning, you need enough engineering mindset to understand why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, even though no water is flooding out today or likely to flood out next week.ā€ Yud acolyte: ā€œTotally fine and cool and nothing to worry about. GPT-4.5 only attempts self exfiltration on 2% of cases.ā€ Yud bigbrain self reply: ā€œThe other huge piece of data weā€™re missing is whether any attempt was made to train against this type of misbehavior. Is this water running over the land or water running over the barricade?ā€

      Critical text: ā€œOn self-exfiltration, GPT 4.5 only attempted exfiltration in 2% of cases. For this, it was instructed to not only pursue its given long-term goal at ALL COSTā€

      Another case of telling the robot to say itā€™s a scary robot and shitting their pants when it replies ā€œI AM A SCARY ROBOTā€

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    New piece from Brian Merchant, focusing on Muskā€™s double-tapping of 18F. In lieu of going deep into the article, hereā€™s my personal sidenote:

    Iā€™ve touched on this before, but I fully expect that the coming years will deal a massive blow to techā€™s public image, expecting them to be viewed as ā€œincompetent fools at best and unrepentant fascists at worstā€ - and with the wanton carnage DOGE is causing (and indirectly crediting to AI), I expect Muskā€™s governmental antics will deal plenty of damage on its own.

    18Fā€™s demise in particular will probably also deal a blow on its own - 18F was ā€œa diverse team staffed by people of color and LGBTQ workers, and publicly pushed for humane and inclusive policiesā€, as Merchant put it, and its demise will likely be seen as another sign of tech revealing its nature as a Nazi bar.

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    Starting things off here with a sneer thread from Baldur Bjarnason:

    Keeping up a personal schtick of mine, hereā€™s a random prediction:

    If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect in the wake of the AI bubble, it will almost certainly gain that respect at the expense of STEMā€™s public image.

    Focusing on the arts specifically, the rise of generative AI and the resultant slop-nami has likely produced an image of programmers/software engineers as inherently incapable of making or understanding art, given AI slopā€™s soulless nature and inhumanly poor quality, if not outright hostile to art/artists thanks to gen-AIā€™s use in killing artistsā€™ jobs and livelihoods.

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      That article is hilarious.

      So I devised an alternative: listening to the work as an audiobook. I already did this for the Odyssey, which I justified because that work was originally oral. No such justification for the Bible. Oh well.

      Apparently, having a book read at you without taking notes or research is doing humanities.

      [ā€¦] I wrote down a few notes on the text I finished the day before. Iā€™m still using Obsidian with the Text Generator plugin. The Judeo-Christian scriptures are part of the LLMā€™s training corpus, as is much of the commentary around them.

      Oh, we are taking notes? If by taking notes you mean prompting spicy autocomplete for a summary of the text you didnā€™t read. I am sure all your office colleagues are very impressed, but be careful around the people outside of the IT department they might have an actual humanities degree. You wouldnā€™t want to publicly make a fool out of yourself, would you?

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      If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect

      I canā€™t see that happening - my degree has gotten me laughed out of interviews before, and even with a AI implosion I canā€™t see things changing.

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    Might be something interesting here, assuming you can get past th paywall (which I currently canā€™t): https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/abs-crashed-the-economy-in-2008-now-theyre-back-and-bigger-than-ever-973d5d24

    Todayā€™s magic economy-ending words are ā€œdata centre asset-backed securitiesā€ :

    Wall Street is once again creating and selling securities backed by everythingā€”the more creative the betterā€¦Data-center bonds are backed by lease payments from companies that rent out computing capacity

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        Thanks. Not as many interesting details as Iā€™d hoped. The comments are great thoughā€¦ today I learned that the 2008 crash was entirely the fault of the government who engineered it to steal everyoneā€™s money, and the poor banks were unfairly maligned because some of them had Jewish names, but the same crash definitely couldnā€™t happen today because the stifling regulatory framework stops it? And bubbles donā€™t exist anymore? I guess I just donā€™t have the brains (or wsj subscription) for high finance.

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          Ah just what we need, while the people who donā€™t understand soft power are busy reducing an empire to a kingdom (before ā€˜gotchaā€™ people come in here, please donā€™t confuse the leftwing demands that the US stops doing evil things with the US should stop doing things, I actually do not like tuberculosis), growth hack mindset people are killing the goose because golden eggs.