• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      4 hours ago

      The Soviet Union collapsed in the early 90s. If Trump was anything, he was an American fence for the looting, the gang warfare, and the human trafficking that followed. The dogged insistence that Donald is a double-super secret KGB inside man intent on serving a government that hasn’t existed in 30 years is a Tom Clancy inspired fantasy.

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          21 hours ago

          Yes? I fucking hate Trump but I want verified shit to tag on him for his actual actions.

          If we just allow anything to stick to a figure/political group no matter how false it is, it just gives them ammo. “Why would you believe I did X? They said I did Y and Z and no proof was there for any of it.”

          Like imagine if someone said something that makes sense about Putin but wasn’t backed by anything in reality. Putin could now use that as a tool for propaganda/deflection. Same for any other figure in politics.

          Genuinely, I want sources for all claims. Even if it questions my personal world views. Sometimes I’m just genuinely wrong about something and I like being corrected in a informative way.

          • Doug Holland@lemmy.worldOPM
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            21 hours ago

            I ain’t arguing. Verification would be nice. It ain’t going to be verified, though, and that doesn’t necessarily make it false. Common sense and Occam’s razor can be enough.

            In 1987, young, rich, and already somewhat famous, Donald Trump was invited by the USSR’s American Ambassador to visit Moscow, to negotiate building a hotel across the street from the Kremlin, with the Soviet government as his business partner. Trump went. ‘Trump Tower Moscow’ was never built, but it’s almost silly to imagine that the KGB didn’t have a hand in Trump’s visit and/or didn’t offer an ‘investment’ in Trump. Equally or perhaps more unthinkable (based on everything we know about DJT) is the concept that he would turn down such an offer. Ipso facto pepto bismo, Trump is and has long been a Russian asset.

          • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            21 hours ago

            Can you imagine if someone did this for the other guys?

            Hey Biden actually is owned by the shadow government.

            Do you have any proof of that?

            Do I need proof? It’s right here!

            Like Trump is allied towards Putin, but he is only allied to those who pay him. He’s a narcissist in debt. If Putin’s funds dried up, he’d just saying he never liked him in the first place, disobey any previous agremeents.

            Let’s not ignore the billionaires who are American and have always been American puppeting him and the party in general.

            • Doug Holland@lemmy.worldOPM
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              20 hours ago

              Can you imagine if someone did this for the other guys?

              Seriously, literally, I laughed out loud.

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            22 hours ago

            It would be helpful to have it confirmed, but it’s highly unlikely. The KGB is generally hush-hush, so we’re going to have to decide without explicit evidence, but Occam’s razor is good enough for me.

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              20 hours ago

              Occam’s razor says that he’s a billionaire acting in his own self interest. Adding hidden unconfirmed assumptions that are unnecessary to explain his behavior is literally the exact thing that Occam’s razor says not to do.

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                  20 hours ago

                  The idea that Trump simply disagrees with you on foreign policy is a simpler explanation than the idea that he’s secretly controlled by Russia. The majority of his Republican base supports his stance on Ukraine, along with roughly half of the population as a whole. Why is it assumed that everyone would take your position on Russia in the absence of some secret plot?