• zeus ⁧ ⁧ ∽↯∼@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 years ago

    goddammit

    i joined dxcomplex because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name);
    then it folded so i joined .world because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name);
    then it got massive so i joined lemm.ee because it was the smallest instance i was confident wouldn’t fold (and i liked the name)

    i’m starting to wonder if i’m cursed

    • SchizoDenji@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Because it is more open and lenient in not defedereting and as a user i can choose which subs and instances to block.

    • Navarian@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Can’t speak for others, but my decision to stick with lemm.ee stemmed from seeing how active the owner is, the minimal defederation and the bot & moderation policies meaning there are minimal bots, and I’ve yet to currently see much spam issues, which is nice.

      Also helps that the owner Sunaurus is an active contributor to the Lemmy project as a whole, so we get patches and fixes relatively quickly.

      • Cloudless ☼@feddit.ukEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Thanks. Looking at the admin’s profile, he seems to be very reasonable. I especially like this comment he made:

        “Not sure if I actually have to justify removing soviet and/or nazi symbolism, but I have lived my whole life in a country on the border of Russia. My country been ravaged by both Nazis and Soviets in very recent history. I want to be clear that while I think criticising capitalism is totally normal and necessary, I am also extremely aware of constant Kremlin propaganda. Propaganda which is spread both in their media, but also crucially in online channels. Propaganda which includes things like downplaying horrifying actions of the soviet union, portraying their “enemies” (the west) in the worst possible light, and mixing in soviet symbolism wherever possible. I have no intention of allowing anything which resembles this propaganda to be spread through lemm.ee. If banning offending users does not work, then further steps will definitely be taken.”

          • Nowyn@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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            2 years ago

            History fits the majority of Eastern European countries but yes as said they are Estonian. Actually, now that I think about it can’t really think of any Eastern European countries that it doesn’t fit at all.

            • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Eastern Europe had finally just stabilized a little bit it looked like. They’ve consistently gotten the short end of the stick from the superpowers in the region using their territory for war.

              Hopefully after Ukraine is over (with Ukraine keeping all their land) there will be some stability in the region again

              • Nowyn@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Living next to Russia has never been easy. Living between Russia and Western powers has been worse. I’m Finnish and while we have not really seen ourselves as Eastern Europeans for a long time, we are. Just got lucky past century.

    • Lucia [she/her]@eviltoast.orgEnglish
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      2 years ago

      why do people choose it over other instances?

      Non-techy people want a big instance, but .world goes offline too often and .ml doesn’t allow new sign ups.

  • Demigodrick@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    2 years ago

    They should probably add a % measure to that to show active users as a % of total users to give a more balanced look at active instances

    • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
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      2 years ago

      What is felt by users is the absolute number rather than the proportion.

        • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Because when you open and later refresh Lemmy, the quantity of new posts you will see, which gives an idea of Lemmy’s activity, is proportional to the absolute number of active users, not the proportion of active users per instance.

          • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
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            2 years ago

            By why not both, I meant why not display both the number of users and the proportion of the total userbase. This does not seem to be an answer to that question.

            • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
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              2 years ago

              I thought you asked why wouldn’t both be felt by users. Otherwise, sure both can be displayed, the proportion gives an idea of the dynamic of a community.

    • Navarian@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 years ago

      This was asked in the lemm.ee discord and the answer given is below.

      Ping times are low everywhere because the files we serve are hosted on globally distributed servers. So if you’re in North America, you will download the frontend code (and images etc) from a North American server. But the backend is actually hosted in Germany

      • Durotar@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Do you know if personal data (like emails, IP addresses) is also distributed across the world? I mean, this is important from the privacy perspective. Different countries have different rules.

        • w2qw@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          2 years ago

          It’s just using cloudflare. So likely your private data is just temporarily stored on the CloudFlare node in your region and in Germany.

        • Navarian@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Frankly I have absolutely no idea, I would encourage asking if you’re concerned though.

      • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 years ago

        If they ever defederate from piracy communities, yeah, but I don’t think so, admin has a very anti defederate policy, so I see this scenario very hard to occur.

        • Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Oh, I don’t really care about piracy communities. I meant on the basis of it getting big.

    • Stoneykins [any]@mander.xyzEnglish
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      2 years ago

      People seem to only want their accounts on “general use” instances that are already pretty popular.

      Which is… bizarre. There is no downside to having your account on a more niche instance (as long as it isn’t so niche that it gets turned off), and there are arguably disadvantages to having your account on a more popular instance.

      • vimdiesel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        it’s not that bizarre; people want easy and people don’t seem to really understand how it works so they’d rather go where the most people are or the one that is “trending”.

      • Default@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        2 years ago

        A slight advantage to big servers is the increase in anonymity on the backend. Given the server admins can do what ever that want. An admin on small server would no doubt be looking into who and where their individual users are. Big severs are more likely to become more population based. Doesn’t really matter though I suppose.

        • imsodin@infosec.pubEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Yeah no exact opposite for me: Big server means lots of user data making abuse of it more appealing and impactful. While an admin of a small instance having some fun digging through user internals would really do no harm (I don’t believe that’s a particularly typical hobby of small instance admins though xD ).

      • neutron@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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        2 years ago

        It’s not easy to see the list of all communities in an instance you don’t have an account. If I login and federate as user@example.com, I can see all the local communities inside example.com, but not others like lemmy.world. I don’t mean individual posts or an individual community, I mean list of all instance communities. I think this is one of high priority issues to be patched.

      • Ashtear@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 years ago

        One big thing that hasn’t changed from reddit is that lemmy instances are still based on an autocratic power structure. Whether or not your content gets seen or you get to see other content depends on the relationships between those leaders. That means choosing your leadership is of utmost importance, and I eventually settled on lemm.ee because it was the first instance I came across that both a) seemed like it had actual adults running the show, and b) was large enough for that leadership have already faced some challenges and have an established track record.

        That’s the downside to a niche instance.

        • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
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          2 years ago

          That’s the core of every problem that’s occurred to every massive human social structure we’ve ever created in history.

          We create systems, the systems become powerful, a small group of autocratic people naturally gravitate towards wanting to lead, the system is taken over by this small group, the system is corrupted, the system fails, the system ends … then we start over again.

          It keeps happening over and over again and the common denominator is human greed (either in the need to gain money and wealth … or in the need to just want to gain power over everyone)

          The only systems that last are the ones where everyone has an equal stake and a shared power structure. But it’s a balancing game that constantly has to be monitored … because once we stop being vigilant, some greedy idiots will naturally start taking over.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Smaller instances take longer to load content from bigger instances.

        I have a kbin account and a lemmy account, but I find myself more active on lemmy because it’s faster to load new content.

      • Phazei@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I’ve found that sometimes old posts don’t propagate to newer servers. So if you want to participate in a old thread, you need another account.

      • nothacking@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        2 years ago

        A good 40% of users are spread out on servers with less then 5% of the overall user base, but that is still a good 60% in the top 5 instances, considering how laggy lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are, I am surprised anyone stays on them.

      • Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.comEnglish
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        2 years ago

        The disadvantage of being on a small instance is that you could have an admin who is a fucking moron and ends up breaking stuff because they don’t know what they are doing.

        Sauce: am admin. am fucking moron.

      • BURN@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        People want to be where people are. My guess is we’ll end up with a bunch of super instances eventually.

        • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
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          2 years ago

          People want to be where people are.

          This logic only applies in centralized platforms. In the case of the Fediverse, people are everywhere and anywhere.

          • Calavera@lemm.eeEnglish
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            2 years ago

            But here on lemmy itself we can see people gathering in just a few instances

            • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Not everything happens for a logical reason. It’s human nature to get together in tribes, and the majority of people are okay with just following the pack.

              I just hope that eventually more people figure out that there is no significant advantage in being in the largest instances, and that it can be actually harmful (too many resources, potential drama because too much power is given to the admins, etc)

  • ramble81@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I chose ee over ml after what Mali started doing and that site could drop offline at any time.

    • icepuncher69@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Most of the times that i see this meme is always censured, they usually take out the part where the woman gets gropped. While i understeand why someone wouldnt whant to share something that contains sexuall harasment, i think its a little silly and very curious how its users self-censored themselvels with this meme, it its very unussual to find it like this in the wild.

      • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
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        2 years ago

        In this version of the meme she’s actually from an alien culture where it’s considered rude not to kiss someone and squeeze their butt after accepting a medal. Their version of “bless you” after a sneeze.

        I swear to god it’s in the show somewhere look it up.

  • HTTP_404_NotFound@lemmyonline.comEnglish
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    2 years ago

    clap

    Another mega-instance is formed, with lots of people grouped together, to make a big target.

    Perhaps one day, everyone will discover what “Federated” means.

    • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      ee wasn’t big originally, but it was one of the few instances that were big enough to not dissappear, run by a competent sys admin, and small enough to not be affected by the big instance performance challenges, while keep registrations open when many instances shut the door on newcomers. Basically, ee, sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world were there main options for people moving across. Their sensible stewardship has led to growth, and trust is why it has kept growing.

      Federation means people can choose, and they do. It doesn’t mean everything will be exactly the same size and stay small. An instance needs good sysadmin who will investigate issues an liase with dev teams to get them fixed. People will gravitate to those instances run by talented devs.

      • HTTP_404_NotFound@lemmyonline.comEnglish
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        2 years ago

        People will gravitate to those instances run by talented devs.

        Eh, people gravitate to where everyone else is. Half of the fediverse doesn’t realize federation means, you can read/post to most communities from most instances, bar federation issues. They see, OH HEY, Lemmy World has the most posts. I want to go where all of the posts are.

        People RUN from instances, whenever the instance starts breaking, and the admins show their ineptitude. Either that, or when instances start clicking the defederation button too much.

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          How did ee, and sh.itjust.works grow? Because they were open. You have a short memory if you don’t remember how many instances closed, during API blackout.

          I didn’t want to pick an instance that was running on a thinkpad that would get switched off when someone got bored.

          Federation was confusing for many. Many used the join Lemmy website and options that were general purpose open instances that were English speaking and open were not huge. People made decisions in a short period of time and many went with world, ee, and sh.it. It isn’t baffling. It is also no shock that people set up communities where they register and may be big enough to survive. Who would create a community that disappears in 3 weeks.

          You painting users as brainless sheep does nothing more than give you some feeling superiority. Maybe your fragile ego needs that. I’ll help if you need it. Congratulations, you’re so smart and clever. More so than most. Thanks for stepping on your soap box and imparting your wisdom/red hot takes upon us.

    • paraphrand@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Well, it doesn’t implicitly mean “survey all instances when making a new account and calculate where your additional account will average out the numbers.” 🙄

  • swag_money@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    is there a way to transfer my account to another instance? lemmy.world for me is unreliable and slow :/

    • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 years ago

      They’re quick when it comes to defederating lefties. Not so much with toxic right wingers.

      In all seriousness though, some apps copy subbed communities. Having a backup lemmy is useful.

      • trashcan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I need more data on that first point. Everyone’s defederation rationales and strategies have evolved over the last few months.

        • CrypticCoffee@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Exploding heads was slow. Hexbear was instantaneous.

          Read the Hexbear defederation post if you want to see how subjective it actually was.

          Don’t get me wrong, commies are badly misguided, but they can hold a good faith rational debate.

          • trashcan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            2 years ago

            I think I’ll have to see how quickly they make a decision on other instances in the future.

            The hexbear defederation did seem odd to me since the rationale was the admins there reminding their users to follow other instances rules?

            Idk, I’m glad I can still see hexbear comments. I may not agree with them but at least they appear more literate than the exploding heads users.

      • skadden@ctrlaltelite.xyzEnglish
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        2 years ago

        You lose comment history and all that jazz too but it’s better than nothing. I’m not sure if devs plan to implement a way to do it but it’s one of the reasons I decided to roll my own instance. Nothing more frustrating than using someone else’s and losing access while they take days to get it back up.