China should just accept taiwan sovereignty and strengthen economic and political ties with Europe. Doing nothing and winning has been working so well.
Taiwan was never unified with mainland China to begin with, anyway. They have no claim over it. Not that that stops the CCP from claiming everything in the Pacific.
Eh, precedent is severely overrated. China doesn’t have any right to Taiwan because all people have a right to self determination. China invading Taiwan would be just as terrible as Spain forcing Catalonia to remain, or the US using violence to keep California from seceding.
Exactly. If California voted to leace the US tomorrow then they would have every right to be free. Same for Northern Ireland, Scotland, Catalonia, and Südtirol.
Its a bit more complicated, basically the Chinese civil war was interrupted by the second world war and resumed afterwards. One side was the communists and the other side the republic of China. This war was never resolved, the ROC government fled to Taiwan and the communists took over the mainland, declaring the PRC. Until 1991 both the ROC and the PRC claimed to be the sole legitimate representatives of China. Meaning all of China, mainland and Taiwan. Until 1971 Chinas representative in the UN was from the ROC.
So its a bit like the American civil war never ended, and the Confederate government just fled to Florida. From the viewpoint of China Taiwan has been occupied Chinese land since 1949.
Actually I’m fairly certain the other person had it right. Puerto Rico is essentially occupied and has its own native people (although even that has been replaced technically) similar to Taiwan. Taiwan is not core Chinese, it’s technically core Austronesian.
It depends on the perspective. People in the US don’t really care (sorry) about Puerto Rico the same way they care about Florida. They don’t perceive it as a core part of themselves.
But to understand other cultures reasoning, one has to see things from their perspective.
Yes. But now there is gonna be a big butt (hehe) coming. Taking Taiwan would be immensely damaging to chinas reputation internationally and I do not believe in the whole blood and soil thing so if the taiwanese want to be independent I support them. So while you are right and historically there is much more to it I believe it would be very beneficial for china to just roll with it and use a western backed taiwan and hong kong to their advantage. We are all seeing how damaging similar rhetoric is to the russian people and even the americans right now. If any country takes any land by force it wont have friends on the international stage and reliable trading partners which china massively profits from.
“People” hate them and not even most of them, many are more worried about what is going on in their own contries with growing hardline facism). Most goverments, are perfectly fine with still doing business with Isreal. Russia is in a harder place, but Putin just scored a HUGE coup with getting Trump elected…
To add about China, the ruling elite consider Taiwan’s exsistance a challenge and “black eye” to thier rule of China and its “Power”. Old hatreds die hard. China is looking at the current world stage and thinking the hit they take would be acceptable. And TBH with current world politics, now is about the best time for them to take over Taiwan. Trump isn’t going to do shit to stop them. And Europe is to occupied with Ukraine-Russia to do anything…
Last edit: To be clear I HATE Isreal’s goverment, Russia, and China’s possible agenda. I’m just trying to look at the situation dispassionately.
China should just accept taiwan sovereignty and strengthen economic and political ties with Europe. Doing nothing and winning has been working so well.
Taiwan was never unified with mainland China to begin with, anyway. They have no claim over it. Not that that stops the CCP from claiming everything in the Pacific.
Eh, precedent is severely overrated. China doesn’t have any right to Taiwan because all people have a right to self determination. China invading Taiwan would be just as terrible as Spain forcing Catalonia to remain, or the US using violence to keep California from seceding.
Even if, I used to be there is not a valid claim anyhow.
Exactly. If California voted to leace the US tomorrow then they would have every right to be free. Same for Northern Ireland, Scotland, Catalonia, and Südtirol.
California can not just vote to legally secede without approval from the US congress.
Its a bit more complicated, basically the Chinese civil war was interrupted by the second world war and resumed afterwards. One side was the communists and the other side the republic of China. This war was never resolved, the ROC government fled to Taiwan and the communists took over the mainland, declaring the PRC. Until 1991 both the ROC and the PRC claimed to be the sole legitimate representatives of China. Meaning all of China, mainland and Taiwan. Until 1971 Chinas representative in the UN was from the ROC.
So its a bit like the American civil war never ended, and the Confederate government just fled to Florida. From the viewpoint of China Taiwan has been occupied Chinese land since 1949.
It’s more like if the American Civil War never ended and the union government fled to Puerto Rico.
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Not really, because for most Americans, Puerto Rico is not “core US”. But Florida is.
Actually I’m fairly certain the other person had it right. Puerto Rico is essentially occupied and has its own native people (although even that has been replaced technically) similar to Taiwan. Taiwan is not core Chinese, it’s technically core Austronesian.
It depends on the perspective. People in the US don’t really care (sorry) about Puerto Rico the same way they care about Florida. They don’t perceive it as a core part of themselves.
But to understand other cultures reasoning, one has to see things from their perspective.
Puerto Rico is an island
Taiwan is an island
Why are you so obsessed with making an anology with Florida?
You know what it would be like they fled to glorious Cuba. Cuba 🇨🇺 is exactly like Florida and I will not be explaining why.
Yes. But now there is gonna be a big butt (hehe) coming. Taking Taiwan would be immensely damaging to chinas reputation internationally and I do not believe in the whole blood and soil thing so if the taiwanese want to be independent I support them. So while you are right and historically there is much more to it I believe it would be very beneficial for china to just roll with it and use a western backed taiwan and hong kong to their advantage. We are all seeing how damaging similar rhetoric is to the russian people and even the americans right now. If any country takes any land by force it wont have friends on the international stage and reliable trading partners which china massively profits from.
While this may have been true decades ago. It really isn’t anymore.
Israel is doing very well on the world stage, given it’s destruction of Gaza…
Russia’s installation of a puppet leader in the US could turn its outlook around in the next three or four years.
I have no doubt that China is looking at its own success with destroying the autonomy of Hong Kong and thinking the time is right to take over Taiwan…
People hate Israel. They see Israel as being one of the greatest evils of our time.
People also hate Russia for invading Ukraine.
If China invades Taiwan then they will lose all the goodwill they have worked so hard to build over the last 20 years.
“People” hate them and not even most of them, many are more worried about what is going on in their own contries with growing hardline facism). Most goverments, are perfectly fine with still doing business with Isreal. Russia is in a harder place, but Putin just scored a HUGE coup with getting Trump elected…
To add about China, the ruling elite consider Taiwan’s exsistance a challenge and “black eye” to thier rule of China and its “Power”. Old hatreds die hard. China is looking at the current world stage and thinking the hit they take would be acceptable. And TBH with current world politics, now is about the best time for them to take over Taiwan. Trump isn’t going to do shit to stop them. And Europe is to occupied with Ukraine-Russia to do anything…
Last edit: To be clear I HATE Isreal’s goverment, Russia, and China’s possible agenda. I’m just trying to look at the situation dispassionately.
That would be the smart thing to do, sure. The problem is that narcissists and megalomaniacs are reckless and dangerous.