yeah, the left has been systematically eroded in america, and what’s typically considered “left” in america today, is actually center-right (i.e. capitalism with small social elements in it).
The Democratic Party won’t allow any leftward motion. It’s always and only, stay in the center and reach out to the right and, whoops, we’ve gone a little further to the right. …
tbf, all social progress in the country has come through votes by the democratic party. I really didn’t expect them to be quite so terrible about standing up to fascism though-- before these past couple months I would’ve thought that as more people like Schumer get old and retire/die and more people like AOC replace them there would be a path forward, but now I’m wondering if this is maybe the inflection point for an entirely new party to take over. Bernie’s been an independent his whole career-- maybe it can start there
yes actually, by waiting 200 years until the republicans shoot themselves to mars, at which point presumably the not-so-far-right would stay behind and maybe form a new society.
You can’t abstract things to a simple continuum, centrist policies and centrist politicians are wildly unpopular with the US public (a.k.a. the DNC and most democrats) whereas someone like Bernie or AOC frequently gets disengaged or more centrist people to say “huh, well yeah actually they are right about that”.
If you look at the polling universal healthcare is very popular, leftist policies often have majority support in US when polled.
The catastrophic danger comes from thinking being more centrist is a winning strategy, the right abandoned that strategy years ago and they have been unstoppable since.
I am telling you, USians of all political stripes are mad and want to burn everything down, trying to reach people with centrism right now is batshit crazy. Reach people with honest, straightforward leftist talking points, emphasize that collective benefits and community focus, emphasize that leftists are actually serious about inclusion and equity unlike centrists.
Most importantly emphasize you are a leftist because if you try to reach someone as a centrist no matter what you say they aren’t going to trust you will fight to protect others when the time comes OR the values you claim to believe in, because I mean turn on the news, why would they believe you?
People want the status quo to be smashed, don’t sell your ideas as the status quo.
Yes, through labor struggle and organizing. I’m not convinced there are going to be elections for much longer, which means we need to organize outside of the ballot box.
I 100% disagree with that statement. I might be in a bubble, but I’m in a bubble of amazing, kind and helpful people who go out and help the homeless, volunteer, etc. Community is first.
Neoliberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes free-market capitalism, minimal government intervention in the economy, and the belief that economic freedom leads to social progress. It advocates for policies like deregulation, privatization, and reduced government spending.
I was referring specifically to your two party system and the errant belief that one of them is somehow “left” when it is a group of turbo capitalist corpo swine lobbyists which are only the better choice because they are not straight up fascist kleptocrats.
You do not have any “left” to speak of. You only have fascists and neoliberals.
yeah, the left has been systematically eroded in america, and what’s typically considered “left” in america today, is actually center-right (i.e. capitalism with small social elements in it).
Hey, we got some soc dems. Like at least 3!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism
Do you see a path to move the US to the left that doesn’t involve first shifting the overton window leftwards through the democrats?
The Democratic Party won’t allow any leftward motion. It’s always and only, stay in the center and reach out to the right and, whoops, we’ve gone a little further to the right. …
tbf, all social progress in the country has come through votes by the democratic party. I really didn’t expect them to be quite so terrible about standing up to fascism though-- before these past couple months I would’ve thought that as more people like Schumer get old and retire/die and more people like AOC replace them there would be a path forward, but now I’m wondering if this is maybe the inflection point for an entirely new party to take over. Bernie’s been an independent his whole career-- maybe it can start there
yes actually, by waiting 200 years until the republicans shoot themselves to mars, at which point presumably the not-so-far-right would stay behind and maybe form a new society.
but not in your lifetime, no.
You can’t abstract things to a simple continuum, centrist policies and centrist politicians are wildly unpopular with the US public (a.k.a. the DNC and most democrats) whereas someone like Bernie or AOC frequently gets disengaged or more centrist people to say “huh, well yeah actually they are right about that”.
If you look at the polling universal healthcare is very popular, leftist policies often have majority support in US when polled.
The catastrophic danger comes from thinking being more centrist is a winning strategy, the right abandoned that strategy years ago and they have been unstoppable since.
I am telling you, USians of all political stripes are mad and want to burn everything down, trying to reach people with centrism right now is batshit crazy. Reach people with honest, straightforward leftist talking points, emphasize that collective benefits and community focus, emphasize that leftists are actually serious about inclusion and equity unlike centrists.
Most importantly emphasize you are a leftist because if you try to reach someone as a centrist no matter what you say they aren’t going to trust you will fight to protect others when the time comes OR the values you claim to believe in, because I mean turn on the news, why would they believe you?
People want the status quo to be smashed, don’t sell your ideas as the status quo.
Yes, through labor struggle and organizing. I’m not convinced there are going to be elections for much longer, which means we need to organize outside of the ballot box.
I 100% disagree with that statement. I might be in a bubble, but I’m in a bubble of amazing, kind and helpful people who go out and help the homeless, volunteer, etc. Community is first.
I was referring specifically to your two party system and the errant belief that one of them is somehow “left” when it is a group of turbo capitalist corpo swine lobbyists which are only the better choice because they are not straight up fascist kleptocrats.