I don’t know which bit of your message you think I didn’t read. I think you misinterpret my disagreement as lack of comprehension.
We disagree about what spam is - you seem to think that spam is by its nature repetitive, whereas I think that spam is by its nature unsolicited and unwelcome, using addresses scraped from something that isn’t an opt-in list. This isn’t because I didn’t read your statement that you only sent one unwelcome and unsolicited inbox message, it’s because you think it was OK to do it and no big deal and I think it was absolutely not OK to do it, that you should have realised that pinging thousands and thousands of users who ever commented might piss some of them off and that you should have realised that this is EXACTLY what spammers do.
We disagree about how annoying it is or isn’t to be told/asked to do something we have no interest in doing by a group of tens of people who decided that thousands of other people should do something. It’s OK for you to not be pissed off by that, but telling me that I’m wrong to be irritated by that because “you” lack the authority to tell me what to do comes incredibly close to seeing the point whilst missing it entirely. “You’re wrong on a technicality” isn’t a great way of responding to someone who finds something you or your friends did irritating.
I was factually incorrect that you’re all mods of the new community, only one of you is. But again, arguing that I’m wrong about who did this isn’t a great way of winning the argument you’re having about whether it’s annoying or not, and isn’t a great way of making me less pissed off. In fact I was usually using the word mod simply because this is the sort of message that a mod should just pin at the top of their community.
You’re also making a bunch of wrong accusations.
I made precisely two accusations in that post:
(1) Like other spammers, you thought that your message was more important than people’s subscription preferences, so you did just like them and sent unwelcome unsolicited messages using scraped messages.
I stand by that accusation and I don’t see how you can honestly deny it, even if you disagree about my use of the word spam to describe it.
(2) Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you’d do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
You all still are arguing rather than apologising, so I stand by this accusation too. (You’re not even using the politician’s non-apology “I’m sorry if some of you feel upset”.)
this isn’t something regular that clogs up people’s inboxes.
Never claimed it was regular, never claimed people’s inboxes were currently clogged up, but I’m telling you this: if every pinned post on every community that I ever commented in this year was an inbox message, my inbox would be in a similar spam-to-useful ratio as my email inboxes are. The only reason people aren’t complaining about all the spam in their inboxes on lemmy is that afaik, it only ever happened twice, almost no one does it. If everyone on lemmy behaved like you, our inboxes would all be flooded with spam. This should be a strong hint to you that you are the double start of something terrible that I want to not happen to lemmy. I imagine you’ll want to claim that this was an important message because it was a migration message, but again I need you to hear that you don’t get to decide what’s important to me, you just pin the message on your community like everyone else that thinks they have an important message does.
You’re blowing this out of proportions
You all are crap at apologising and all keep arguing with people that are cross with you already, trying to explain that they’re factually incorrect and therefore have no right to be cross. How did you think that was going to calm folks down?
It’s like you all took a course in conflict de-escalation and chose to do the opposite.
With all due respect, by “people” it’s just you. Yeah, some others in here have expressed discontent at this but they did it with a single comment, or moved on by now. Out of however many were actually pinged, it’s probably not a notable amount of the overall.
I’d like to add that despite me not really seeing this as an issue, I didn’t actually set this up. I was aware of it possibly happening, and saw no problem with it (I didn’t know how it would look when/if it did happen - it could’ve been done via DM for all I knew). But that goes my involvement in it. And no, the instance of “community completely changing url and moving” is practically the only instance in which I would ever not mind or support something like this, so it won’t be happening for just any future or hypothetical pinned post.
I think you misinterpret my disagreement as lack of comprehension.
No, I’m referencing you mixing the moderators into this when I’ve told you they got nothing to do with it. I’m literally trying to take the full responsibility for this instead passing it off to the moderators.
It’s like you all took a course in conflict de-escalation and chose to do the opposite.
I prefer honesty and dialogue over the corporate spiel. Sharing my view points and getting counter arguments is how you learn about people opinions beyond the their rage comments. I’ve already said sorry to the lemmy.world administrators that contacted me about the issue and have no problem saying that in this instance, the pinging was a mistake. I’ve also told you that it wont happen to your instance again as I’ve spoken to one of your admins.
(You’re not even using the politician’s non-apology “I’m sorry if some of you feel upset”.)
Do you want that sort of thing? You make it sound like I’m wrong for engaging with people who disagreed with the pinging instead of passing off some fake apology and not engage further.
I made precisely two accusations in that post:
(1) Like other spammers,you thought that your message was more important than people’s subscription preferences
Yes, that is a wrongful accusation. I only wanted to help someone who asked for help with their migration. I do not think my message is more important than other. Pinging does not suppress other people’s messages. Everyone can ping, it’s built in feature meant to be used. Just because you disagree with the usage, doesn’t make your unrelated accusation true.
(2) Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you’d do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
This is also completely wrong. Blaze have said sorry in multiple comments, one of those comments were even a reply to you, so I really do not appreciate you falsely accusing him of something that is provably false. I’ve also made it clear in multiple comments that this wasn’t the intended outcome of the action, and that the notification would need to be revised if ever done again. How is that not making it clear that I wouldn’t do it again?
I’m also not willing to accept the statement that this is unequivocally a bad action to take. I’ve done it once before and the comments in that instance were all positive, only a single person downvoted the comment pinging users. Based on the feedback from this instance, it clear that it’s contextual when it’s a good move and when it isn’t.
I don’t know which bit of your message you think I didn’t read. I think you misinterpret my disagreement as lack of comprehension.
We disagree about what spam is - you seem to think that spam is by its nature repetitive, whereas I think that spam is by its nature unsolicited and unwelcome, using addresses scraped from something that isn’t an opt-in list. This isn’t because I didn’t read your statement that you only sent one unwelcome and unsolicited inbox message, it’s because you think it was OK to do it and no big deal and I think it was absolutely not OK to do it, that you should have realised that pinging thousands and thousands of users who ever commented might piss some of them off and that you should have realised that this is EXACTLY what spammers do.
We disagree about how annoying it is or isn’t to be told/asked to do something we have no interest in doing by a group of tens of people who decided that thousands of other people should do something. It’s OK for you to not be pissed off by that, but telling me that I’m wrong to be irritated by that because “you” lack the authority to tell me what to do comes incredibly close to seeing the point whilst missing it entirely. “You’re wrong on a technicality” isn’t a great way of responding to someone who finds something you or your friends did irritating.
I was factually incorrect that you’re all mods of the new community, only one of you is. But again, arguing that I’m wrong about who did this isn’t a great way of winning the argument you’re having about whether it’s annoying or not, and isn’t a great way of making me less pissed off. In fact I was usually using the word mod simply because this is the sort of message that a mod should just pin at the top of their community.
I made precisely two accusations in that post:
(1) Like other spammers, you thought that your message was more important than people’s subscription preferences, so you did just like them and sent unwelcome unsolicited messages using scraped messages.
I stand by that accusation and I don’t see how you can honestly deny it, even if you disagree about my use of the word spam to describe it.
(2) Everyone involved in this mass spam is completely unrepentant and you all sound like you’d do it again in a heartbeat if you had another important message you wanted to share.
You all still are arguing rather than apologising, so I stand by this accusation too. (You’re not even using the politician’s non-apology “I’m sorry if some of you feel upset”.)
Never claimed it was regular, never claimed people’s inboxes were currently clogged up, but I’m telling you this: if every pinned post on every community that I ever commented in this year was an inbox message, my inbox would be in a similar spam-to-useful ratio as my email inboxes are. The only reason people aren’t complaining about all the spam in their inboxes on lemmy is that afaik, it only ever happened twice, almost no one does it. If everyone on lemmy behaved like you, our inboxes would all be flooded with spam. This should be a strong hint to you that you are the double start of something terrible that I want to not happen to lemmy. I imagine you’ll want to claim that this was an important message because it was a migration message, but again I need you to hear that you don’t get to decide what’s important to me, you just pin the message on your community like everyone else that thinks they have an important message does.
You all are crap at apologising and all keep arguing with people that are cross with you already, trying to explain that they’re factually incorrect and therefore have no right to be cross. How did you think that was going to calm folks down?
It’s like you all took a course in conflict de-escalation and chose to do the opposite.
With all due respect, by “people” it’s just you. Yeah, some others in here have expressed discontent at this but they did it with a single comment, or moved on by now. Out of however many were actually pinged, it’s probably not a notable amount of the overall.
I’d like to add that despite me not really seeing this as an issue, I didn’t actually set this up. I was aware of it possibly happening, and saw no problem with it (I didn’t know how it would look when/if it did happen - it could’ve been done via DM for all I knew). But that goes my involvement in it. And no, the instance of “community completely changing url and moving” is practically the only instance in which I would ever not mind or support something like this, so it won’t be happening for just any future or hypothetical pinned post.
It’s not just me you’re disagreeing with.
Sure, you’re not the only one. But I would suspect most people didn’t care.
No, I’m referencing you mixing the moderators into this when I’ve told you they got nothing to do with it. I’m literally trying to take the full responsibility for this instead passing it off to the moderators.
I prefer honesty and dialogue over the corporate spiel. Sharing my view points and getting counter arguments is how you learn about people opinions beyond the their rage comments. I’ve already said sorry to the lemmy.world administrators that contacted me about the issue and have no problem saying that in this instance, the pinging was a mistake. I’ve also told you that it wont happen to your instance again as I’ve spoken to one of your admins.
Do you want that sort of thing? You make it sound like I’m wrong for engaging with people who disagreed with the pinging instead of passing off some fake apology and not engage further.
Yes, that is a wrongful accusation. I only wanted to help someone who asked for help with their migration. I do not think my message is more important than other. Pinging does not suppress other people’s messages. Everyone can ping, it’s built in feature meant to be used. Just because you disagree with the usage, doesn’t make your unrelated accusation true.
This is also completely wrong. Blaze have said sorry in multiple comments, one of those comments were even a reply to you, so I really do not appreciate you falsely accusing him of something that is provably false. I’ve also made it clear in multiple comments that this wasn’t the intended outcome of the action, and that the notification would need to be revised if ever done again. How is that not making it clear that I wouldn’t do it again?
I’m also not willing to accept the statement that this is unequivocally a bad action to take. I’ve done it once before and the comments in that instance were all positive, only a single person downvoted the comment pinging users. Based on the feedback from this instance, it clear that it’s contextual when it’s a good move and when it isn’t.