The second they seriously figure out ad blocking, everyone will figure out ways around it including the ytdownload app and Ublock Origin. This has already happened probably hundreds of times. There will never be a way to stop it because there are myriad ways around it.
They are approaching the issue from the wrong direction: They need to make the service better, not worse, and they will make more money! Steam/Valve is an excellent example of this because of their CEO’s philosophy on “piracy”, he views it as a service issue with the product itself instead of blaming people who are fed up with bad service and high prices.
Taking the approach of trying to extract more value out of customers ultimately kills the product, driving customers away and hurting profits compared to what they could have had if they’d just made a really great product with ads that aren’t onerous, prices that are reasonable, as well as adequate compensation and treatment for the creators (nobody gets randomly demonitized on Steam because they featured a particular thing for example).
YouTube is not profitable, that is the number one problem. The infrastructure to keep it running costs billions per year, mainly in storage and bandwidth. Offering a better service won’t bring money for two reasons:
1 - they don’t have competition
2 - more people coming to YouTube will increase costs
Steam’s running cost is nowhere near the cost of YouTube, plus it has several methods of generating income, unlike a “free video streaming platform”
I feel like it’s disingenuous for Google to say they don’t make any money with YouTube when their revenue is largely from ads and selling people’s data. Part of me suspects they’re pulling something akin to movie accounting to claim a loss for tax purposes.
Sure, video hosting and streaming is expensive, but they have been running YouTube for 20 years now. If it was really losing that much money, they would’ve pulled the plug a long time ago.
Do we really know that YouTube doesn’t make any profit at all and there isn’t some creative accounting going on?
I didn’t say Youtube doesn’t make money, I said it’s not profitable, that is, the service alone does not generate enough money to pay for its own existence. If this HackerNews thread is to be believed, it’s unlikely even google execs know whether the thing is actually profitable or not (it did generate 50B USD in revenue in 2023-24, which is obviously a lot, but only 11B more than Netflix (39B) despite serving a much, much wider audience)
Youtube exists in a situation very similar to that of Twitter pre acquisition. It’s a money drain, but it’s extremely useful to control and own. Elon Musk saw that he could buy Twitter, he bought it, ruined its value, but we’re seeing that he didn’t buy “the company”, he bought a significant portion of people’s mindshare, so to speak. When Google bought YT in 2006, they saw the writing on the wall, that high speed internet would lead to more people watching videos, which turned true, and they also used their power to fully consolidate Youtube as the place to watch free videos online. Facebook likely played a bigger hand in destroying any possible competition than Google, but that’s a different story.
Best I can do is stop going to YouTube.
HDMI to a capture device + com skip, then torrent.
Would be nice to see some people work out moving to and maintaining monetization on peer tube.
If I really wanted to watch it I’d just run ytdownload on the URL. Peertube is pretty cool though.
The second they seriously figure out ad blocking, ytdlp is gone
The second they seriously figure out ad blocking, everyone will figure out ways around it including the ytdownload app and Ublock Origin. This has already happened probably hundreds of times. There will never be a way to stop it because there are myriad ways around it.
They are approaching the issue from the wrong direction: They need to make the service better, not worse, and they will make more money! Steam/Valve is an excellent example of this because of their CEO’s philosophy on “piracy”, he views it as a service issue with the product itself instead of blaming people who are fed up with bad service and high prices.
Taking the approach of trying to extract more value out of customers ultimately kills the product, driving customers away and hurting profits compared to what they could have had if they’d just made a really great product with ads that aren’t onerous, prices that are reasonable, as well as adequate compensation and treatment for the creators (nobody gets randomly demonitized on Steam because they featured a particular thing for example).
YouTube is not profitable, that is the number one problem. The infrastructure to keep it running costs billions per year, mainly in storage and bandwidth. Offering a better service won’t bring money for two reasons:
1 - they don’t have competition 2 - more people coming to YouTube will increase costs
Steam’s running cost is nowhere near the cost of YouTube, plus it has several methods of generating income, unlike a “free video streaming platform”
I feel like it’s disingenuous for Google to say they don’t make any money with YouTube when their revenue is largely from ads and selling people’s data. Part of me suspects they’re pulling something akin to movie accounting to claim a loss for tax purposes.
Sure, video hosting and streaming is expensive, but they have been running YouTube for 20 years now. If it was really losing that much money, they would’ve pulled the plug a long time ago.
Do we really know that YouTube doesn’t make any profit at all and there isn’t some creative accounting going on?
I didn’t say Youtube doesn’t make money, I said it’s not profitable, that is, the service alone does not generate enough money to pay for its own existence. If this HackerNews thread is to be believed, it’s unlikely even google execs know whether the thing is actually profitable or not (it did generate 50B USD in revenue in 2023-24, which is obviously a lot, but only 11B more than Netflix (39B) despite serving a much, much wider audience)
Youtube exists in a situation very similar to that of Twitter pre acquisition. It’s a money drain, but it’s extremely useful to control and own. Elon Musk saw that he could buy Twitter, he bought it, ruined its value, but we’re seeing that he didn’t buy “the company”, he bought a significant portion of people’s mindshare, so to speak. When Google bought YT in 2006, they saw the writing on the wall, that high speed internet would lead to more people watching videos, which turned true, and they also used their power to fully consolidate Youtube as the place to watch free videos online. Facebook likely played a bigger hand in destroying any possible competition than Google, but that’s a different story.