Heaven, increases all feelings to their extreme quality. Hell, decreases all feelings to their minimum quality. So if someone dies feeling sorrow, rage, hate and goes to heaven they’re going to feel all those to their extreme, that is why god creating hell is actually an act of love because he wants us to feel sorrow, hate, rage as little as possible and feel love to its extreme.

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    I am an atheist and this is still pretty easy to answer:

    Your parents probably love you unconditionally, too, that doesn’t mean they didn’t punish you when you misbehaved growing up.

    I’m not quite sure where your interpretation of heaven and hell is coming from, but the Christian Bible doesn’t describe them in any way that what you said makes sense.

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      The idea of punishment is to prevent further misbehaviours, not to throw shit back at the kids. The goal is to teach the proper behaviour.

      But hell is supposed to be eternal, and as such there is no evolving from it, making it not a punishment but a torture.

      Now if you believe in torturing kids who misbehave just for the sake of making them suffer, that’s something else.

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        The threat of punishments stop people from doing things. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate that fruit, they will surely die. They did it anyway. Hell exists to discourage us from sinning, yet allowing us free will, still. But we still chose to sin. So we’re damned.

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      Thus far, I do not think I’ve seen the letter J anywhere in this post so far.

      The letter J was invented in the year 1524.

      Which means Jesus, Jews, Jerusalem, Jehovah, Justice, Justify, Julius, January, June, and July were all invented either in or after the year 1524.

      Until someone tells me how to research those terms before the invention of the letter J, I choose to believe Jesus never existed and was made up in the year 1524.

      Edit: While folks are busy downvoting (haha, carry on if you want), nobody has answered my question. How do I research names and words that start with a letter which didn’t exist during the time?

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        We literally have manuscripts of the Bible that are dated over a millenia before that date. The Bible wasn’t written in English or Latin. The new testament was written in Koine Greek. Jesus’ name is Ἰησοῦς.

        Here is the Bible compared to the original text, your requested source of research.

        In fact, Jesus name doesn’t begin with J in most languages.

        In Arabic, it is Isa. In Chinese, it is Yesu. It was originally “Yeshua” (using latin characters to represent the greek and hebrew)

        Yeshua travelled east and became Yesu, then the Y was dropped in some places. Esu to Isa as the vowels warped.

        It gained an S on the end and traveled west, would have been pronounced Yesus, as J was pronounced equally to Y… until it wasn’t in English. Kinda like José in Spanish is pronounced like Yosé. So when it was written down, Jesus became pronounced Jesus.

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          Okay. Why don’t people spell it right then?

          So much supposed respect for a dude that died around 2000 years ago, you’d figure he would deserve the respect to at least spell his name right…

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              No no, more like if people really believe in the old literature, shouldn’t they actually study Hebrew, Latin, Greek, etc, and actually spell their mystical savior’s name properly?

              I’m not into believing in invisible people or people that are supposedly meant to rise from the dead.

              Hell, I never even had an imaginary friend.

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                Christianity isn’t about how you spell God’s name. In fact, as you said, He spoke three different languages. Why would it matter so much to Him if He never made a point about it.

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                  God is not spelled with a J. I was mostly referring to Jesus.

                  I found a much less clear background/etymology of the letter G.

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                    Jesus is God It also applies to the tetragrammaton, or YHWH. Interesting story behind that, used to be translated as JHVH or “Jehovah”

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                A lot of people today can barely learn one language. You’re suggesting that an entire religion’s followers learn Ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, all 3 in dialects that are 2000 years old at the latest. I’m pretty sure God will accept whatever language people happen to read the Bible in.

                That said, you do get so much more depth out of the Bible when you look at the original language. From Eve being made from Adam’s side, not just a rib, to King James hiding that God will protect you from the tyrant. I’d love to dive into the original language more, but I’m far from a linguist.

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            It’s not like the Bible was translated to English until centuries later when England became a thing. You’re complaining about a letter in an alphabet that wasn’t relevant yet.

            Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ יֵשׁוּעַ

            Greek: Ἰησοῦς

            Aramaic: Iēsous

            Latin (maybe you’ll like this more?): IESVS

            See how we get there?

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

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              Did the man ever sign a document, even so much as a clay tablet? So many translations, how would he have written his own name?

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                Because it wasn’t an uncommon name. It’s exactly the same name as Joshua in it’s original language.

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            Culture. The translation is so popularised now that the only people who call Him Yeshua are restorationist hippies

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          Also, that doesn’t quite answer how the other words I listed were actually spelled or pronounced prior to the year 1524.

          It all seems a bit sus to me, as if someone in 1524 injected a letter into the alphabet just for the sake of altering the historical narrative and making it harder for future generations to learn the truth, however it was written.