“Some of you may be willing to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

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    if Putin never invaded, Ukraine wouldn’t be trying to join NATO

    This is some strong “stop hitting yourself” energy

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      And if ukraine hadn’t violated rhe Minsk agreement Russia wouldn’t have done that.

      Fun fact did you know there’s history before the last 2 years?

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        Lol all signatories wiped their asses with minsk 2, while Putin played stupid by pretending he had nothing to do with LPR and DPR.

        Once Putin realized he wasn’t going to get his pro-russian dickriders into Ukraine he literally invoked Godwin’s Law and invaded Ukraine because “muh nazis”.

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        I did know. That why I remember the Budapest Memorandum, in which Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty was guaranteed by Russia in exchange for their nukes. I wonder why y’all didn’t bring that up?

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          The Budapest memorandum??? You have got to be kidding me. A 30-year old document written shortly after the collapse of the USSR is somehow worthy of discussion? And it’s Russia that should be critiqued for breaching it? Euromaidan was a coup of the Ukrainian government led by far right militias funded by the United States Department, which then installed their own puppet government with their picked stooges. This government then continually shelled another russian-speaking part of Ukraine for 8 years (in spite of other treaties I might add). The Budapest memorandum was already trampled by the United States and then Ukraine itself.

          You got a response to this upthread that you didn’t reply to. Maybe address @Egon@hexbear.net before repeating yourself.

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          The Budapest memorandum??? You have got to be kidding me. A 30-year old document written shortly after the collapse of the USSR is somehow worthy of discussion? And it’s Russia that should be critiqued for breaching it? Euromaidan was a coup of the Ukrainian government led by far right militias funded by the United States Department, which then installed their own puppet government with their picked stooges. This government then continually shelled another russian-speaking part of Ukraine for 8 years (in spite of other treaties I might add). The Budapest memorandum was already trampled by the United States and then Ukraine itself. Of course later treaties were written - like Minsk II, which was breached continually by Ukraine. Russia did seek diplomatic solutions before invading - which I think was an overreaction, but pretending it was unprovoked is silly.

          And since we’re talking treaties and agreements, what of that of NATO encroachment? The agreement that NATO would not incorporate ex Soviet countries? That’s of course not worth anything, because that’s different because we’re doing it, right?

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        Yeah, because in 2014, half their country was occupied by a foreign invader lol.

        Oh no my neighbor is seeking alliances after I annexed their shit, how conniving of them!

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            bombing civilians in the DPR and LPR

            Proof?

            giving Russia a reasonable casus belli

            Putin didn’t even recognize DPR and LPR until the day before he invaded Ukraine. This is some concentrated revisionist history.

            • here is the info abt civilian bombing and here are some other war crimes.

              recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO. Russia did, however, maintain informal relations with them, including providing aid. DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine. you have no idea what revisionist means if you think thats what im doing here. Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

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                recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO

                That’s why he did it the day before invading. Putin was hoping his separatists in DPR and LPR could weaken Ukraine without getting his hands dirty. When he saw that wasn’t working, he got involved.

                DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine.

                Yes, that’s kinda what pro-Russian separatists are supposed to do. Next you’ll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

                Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

                Sorry I’m still not seeing it

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                  Next you’ll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

                  What do you mean? Taiwan is a part of China. It’s already one country

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                    Oh boy can you start another dunk thread on this so I can flex my myopic, limited understanding of complex socio-political situations and make another fool of myself?