This has to be a bit. This has to be a bit. Someone please tell me this is a bit
At this point hopium won’t save us now
how does one even come to the conclusion that the planet-destroying opressive Empire is the good faction in Star Wars? like, at what point is there any scene that presents it as anything else than a genocidal regime? I know that conservatives usually aren’t the most media-literate people but I still can’t wrap my head around that
Spitballing here. As a child I thought the plot of Star Wars sucked and was boring and I was just waiting for lightsaber fights. It was only as an adolescent I started paying attention to the plot at all. In my advanced age as an 800 year old adrenochrome enjoyer I am now just waiting for the lightsabers again.
Maybe they see the planet exploding and go “WOAH! AWESOME SAUCE!!” Or they see it like I did coyote and roadrunner where I’m sad because the Wile E Coyote is gonna be hungry if he can’t eat. “Well yeah, they have to reign in the rebels or they can’t have peace in their galaxy.” If they don’t listen to the plot at all, come in with an a priori agenda conditioned from before they made memories, and have an anti-intellectual stance precluding them from critical thought, they can see some wild colors for the blue curtains.
You have to start from the idea that genocide is a good thing.
Lmao I dunno its honestly so silly
I mean, this person is showing a slight bit of personal growth so this in an improvment.
Wait, was Henry Potter the bad guy in, “It’s a Wonderful Life”?
Until talking about Star Wars there’s not really anything dunk-worthy, and at that point it’s just poor media literacy. It doesn’t get bad until BLM. They’re asking their question politely, they’re not being defensive, they’re open to the thought they might be wrong and they explain their thought process.
Then they complain about BLM
but it seems like it’s the typical type “enlightened” centrist, except it seems like they’re at least asking questions instead of just bloviating about how clever they are and they’re honest about being conservatives.Lmao i disagree. Fuck em.
I’m going to take the enlightened centrist position and say fuck 'em but also I hope this line of inquiry leads them to reevaluate some of their beliefs.
PUSH THEM LEFT
I mean I agree, they’re a chud fuck them, but I was just commenting on the fact that they’re not doing anything egregious in my eyes. They have poor media literacy, but at least they’re willing to ask questions rather than defensively accuse the other of being dumb.
It’s funny because this person is definitely a “the curtains are just blue” kind of person and yet if they actually applied that logic to Judge Dredd or The Empire, it’d be something like “the Judges are just fascists” or “the Empire are just Nazis”. They basically admit it in that second block, they just didn’t think that was a bad thing.
These people need to be bullied into making sense ideologically… wait they already make sense, its just fascist.
Judge Dredd is a great comic ruined by chuds with no media literacy.
Although this guy somehow also thinks the Galactic Empire were the good guys, so definitely extra high concentrations of Hitler particles.
I see so many empire logos and stormtroopers on the rear windows of cars around my town.
There’s a group of nerds who go around cosplaying as stormtroopers. They are indistinguishable from confederate reenactors.
nooooooooo they do shows for charity noooooooo they cant be fascists!!!1deleted by creator
extra high concentrations of Hitler particles
Just finished 1984 and I’m starting to think that Oceania and the party are supposed to be the bad guys
Wait there’s a thread going on about 2000AD and nobody told me, the inventor of 2000AD Drokkposting?
2000AD LITERALLY DEPICTED THE EXECUTION OF MARGARET THATCHER IN THE FIRST ISSUE! IT’S ALWAYS BEEN LEFTIST!
The only good thing to come out of England.
I might still have an ABC warriors collection somewhere.
That’s not true, The Clash are from England.
Have you read Brink?
No sadly my comic days are in the past and almost all of them are sold off. I’ll look it up though.
E: I do still have lockjaw and the pet avengers.
I’ve read the first book of that and can’t really remember much except thinking it was a pretty boring story with great art.
Wow it does? ❤️❤️❤️ I’ve never heard of 2000AD, sounds really cool
Oh yeah I forgot the best part about Thatcher getting executed on page 3 of issue #1:
She wasn’t even PM yet.
With the exception of a particularly dark stretch in the mid-90s, all of 2000AD is good. There’s a series they do on YouTube called 2000AD ABC, where they give an overview of a bunch of notable series that ran in its pages. I recommend it if you’re interested, but nervous about getting into new comics.
With the exception of a particularly dark stretch in the mid-90s
Mark Millar delenda est
Mark Millar and his consequences have been a disaster for the comics industry.
Did one of the movies have Dredd realize they were on the wrong side of things or am I thinking of a totally different franchise?
Yeah, because there’s only two Dredd movies and nothing like that happens in either one. The Stallone movie doesn’t really even portray the judge system as explicitly bad.
Stallone
lmao, I might be thinking of Demolition Man.😅
Okay, so the Judge Dredd thing is boilerplate fash stuff, he fails to get the satirizing, but I’m more perplexed with his take on Star Wars. It’s very explicit throughout the series that there’s a seedy criminal underworld in the galaxy that the empire is at best unable to contain meaningfully, at worst is actively utilizing when convenient. Jabba’s operation isn’t exactly a secret yet the empire clearly lets it slide. How the hell does he get “peace and justice” out of that?
It’s not even an organic take to have!
Nothing the Empire does is good!
They’re openly shown to execute civilians, oppress damn near everyone and even BLOW UP AN ENTIRE PLANET WITH PLANS TO KEEP DOING IT!
The only way you walk out of Star Wars thinking that the Empire are good guys is if you are a literal fascist!
Of course they’re horrible. That’s the fascist mentality, a little genocide is worth it to make the streets clean and the trains run on time. But the empire didn’t keep the streets clean, they were horrible at it. This dude just sees someone with a badge cracking skulls and automatically assumes that means crime and injustice aren’t a problem.
There’s also a shitload of crime in Mega-City One and the fascist enforcers who hold all the legal power are pretty much all shown to be massively corrupt, so lol and also lmao.
Dredd is the One Good Cop, which is why his rookie partner is allowed to extra-legally psychically rip a dude apart for information and why it’s totally fine to engage in high explosive firefights in a densely crowded apartment building because someone is manufacturing narcotics.
And after the empire loses they do an operation werewolf expy on coruscant. A former Imperial intelligence guy literally blowing up a school and stuff like that.
one of the first actions we see the empire take is blowing up an entire planet to make one prisoner upset
I don’t think so? I’m pretty sure I’d remember if the Empire was evil.
edit: source?
I’d say I def fall into the Conservative side of the spectrum
I never would’ve guessed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JudgeDredd/comments/16ablud/have_i_been_reading_judge_dredd_all_wrong/
I guess redditors aren’t all bad, because they’re really dunking on this fash loser.
He doesn’t even have the excuse of 40k fans, where the writers have forgotten that the setting is supposed to be satire.
where the writers have forgotten that the setting is supposed to be satire.
The artists writing a story about the technological decline of mankind from a star-spanning civilization to a theocratic fascist empire accidentally making life imitate art.
I’ve heard Larry the cable guy doesn’t actually talk like that, ot at least he didn’t. It was just a character he played as part of his stand up that eventually he got trapped in because that’s what people expected. Same for Cheech Marin to a lesser degree. I think that’s kinda what happened to 40k.
Like Dan Abnett absolutely understands the satirical nature of the world he’s populating but he has to give people bolter porn and imperial apologia because that’s what they expect. It has gotten better in recent years and hopefully the fans will catch up eventually
