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My favorite part is when they lie to the president and Congress. Like, it’s not enough that they do dogshit evil for the US government, they have to do dogshit evil against it as well? Is evil just the highest goal of the CIA? Is the agency just staffed with sociopaths?
… don’t answer that, actually.
Letting the CIA develop a culture of criminality and immunity was a fucking mistake. Tear it down. Start over from the ground up.
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If name a country where didn’t work then you say “that wasn’t real socialism” or it’s the empire faults, always moving the goal post
Show one example where “socialism” didn’t end in a dictatorship shithole.
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Go huf your copium.
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That’s easy - pretty much any government couped by the CIA.
Show me one example where a ‘socialist’ (including the mildest social democrat) government outside of maybe Europe was not continuously undermined, and if possible couped, by the agency in question.
European countries, we has socialists policies, like national healthcare.
Letting the CIA develop a culture of criminality and invulnerability was a fucking mistake. Tear it down. Start over from the ground up.
Can that be done without negatively affecting their actual job of countering negative powers like Russia?
Yes, absolutely. The culture of criminality and invulnerability is not even helpful to their job. Running drugs to fund black sites where they torture people for shits and giggles is not actually in any way vital to the purported functions of the CIA. More oversight would do them good.
Unless you’re asking if tearing it down and rebuilding it can be done without a period of reduced efficacy, in which case, no, that’s a price that would have to be paid.
Nope. And their shenanigans killing some people isn’t a problem on a bigger scale. They have done more good than evil and as long as it’s a net positive its ok.
Jesus Christ
and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
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3 day old account. Lemmy.ee… Opinion rejected.
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Yeah, I tend to agree. Especially now that Russia needs to be heavily contained.
They probably have done waaaay more good in the background but nobody notices because of the nature of it all. Russia isn’t their only problem. China is more of a problem actually, Russia is just collapsing basically, the only thing to do there is gather intel and make plans to secure the nukes once their government fails (nobody needs Russian Warlords with nukes…)
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who were they doing it for, an-crap?
Even Australia is not immune.
(Not really, this is just a fun conspiracy theory with one of our most impactful PMs)
It’s really not that wild of a theory.
- The Australian government of the time was very left wing, doing things like creating universal healthcare and education.
- Whitlam was threatening to shut down Pine Gap, the joint Australian-US spy station in the middle of Australia, and a key location for the CIA’s information gathering efforts in Asia.
- The Governor-General of the time, John Kerr, had known ties to known CIA-backed organisations.
- The US in the lead-up to the Dismissal appointed as its ambassador to Australia a man who has known connections to a coup in Indonesia, and he was also the ambassador to South Korea during a coup there.
- Whitlam even threatened to reveal the identities of CIA agents in Australia.
- A US military contractor has spoken out and said that the CIA internally referred to the Governor General as “our man Kerr”.
The US had many clear motives for wanting this. They had the means thanks to Kerr. And they were afforded the opportunity by the Senate deadlock. There are certainly a few reasons to say otherwise, but at the very least it’s impossible to dismiss the theory as crackpot.
Agreed, as far as conspiracy theories go this is definitely on the more credible side at least in my view. I just didn’t want to present it as fact.
Who?
He was responsible for introducing universal healthcare and free university in Australia.
TIL, thanks!
And probably why there’s a band called “The Whitlams?”
Yup. Here’s a snippet from their Wikipedia page:
Freedman named the band after the former Prime Minister of Australia, Gough Whitlam, although Plunder had sought to call themselves, ‘The Three Nice Boys’. According to Freedman “I loved the family names—the Smiths, the Reivers. I thought, the Whitlams, no-one’s done that. I’ll be able to steal all the goodwill that Australia holds in reserve for Gough Whitlam.”
Also, if you didn’t see it already, there are actually a lot of really good reasons to suspect US involvement in the event that has come to be known as “The Dismissal”. A brief explanation of some of them are in another comment further up the page.
Looks over at Pakistan army getting bribed for the nth time to remove the government
The Cold war called and wants its meme back.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t happily get back into the business of helping to undermine and overthrow democratically elected regimes if they thought they had a good reason, just that they haven’t really done so since the end of the cold war.
Fuck socialism, I lived 30 years in Venezuela (and don’t blame the sanctions, they just started in 2019)
What part of socialism ruined Venezuela?
That was more an issue with a couple corrupt dictators. Varying degrees of democratic socialism are perfectly fine.
Since joining lemmy I’ve learned that apparently gloabal socialism can’t handle a single 3-letter agency.
Last time i responded to this dumb meme i got banned.
CIA killed a Democrat? When?
50 years ago
