• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        34
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        Combining pay with benefits as a single dollar amount is gibberish.

        Why don’t you list the actual hourly wage they’re asking for?

          • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            The automakers combine benefits with wages to make the number seem much larger than it actually is, so the workers sound greedy.

            Their current wages are around $20/hr. Calling that “$60/hr with benefits” is beyond misleading , it’s fucking disgusting. You can’t pay rent with benefits, fuck off.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                8
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Don’t tone police me honey 🙄 when you side with the bosses you become my enemy. Don’t be surprised when I treat you like one.

                The demand is to increase the top hourly rate to $47 per hour - so use that number, not the numbers fed to you by the industry. That’s what wages should be if they had kept up with productivity and inflation over the past several decades.

                  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    6
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    And I’ll tell you to fuck off and eat my ass as much as I want you fucking class traitor. If you act like an enemy you get treated like one.

                    Why the fuck are you trying to nickle-and-dime the workers? What’s wrong with you?

            • JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              10
              ·
              1 year ago

              Keep pushing and the jobs get relocated completely. This latest push is the union signing the death warrant for the area.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Relocated to where? You know they would have to build a new factory and train new employees, right? Who’s going to make all the cars until then?

                • JustAManOnAToilet@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  General Motors currently operates 4 production facilities in Mexico, as does Ford.

                  Stellantis has 7.

                  You’re right, it’ll take some time to shift completely, but this sort of push by the union is the kind of catalyst that can light a fire under execs to get it done.

                  What’s cheaper, what the union is asking for or the cost of moving production? When those lines cross on the graph, the union is fucked.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    5
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    So somehow they’ll be able to ramp up production in those plants to match or even come near the output of American plants in addition to what they already make?

                    Why aren’t they already doing that?

              • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                I agree, that is what the oligarchy will try to do, so sending key manufacturing jobs overseas should be illegal and punished with seizure of assets and ownership of the plants redistributed to the workers.

      • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        32
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        If it were enough, they wouldn’t be striking. Or do you presume to know their circumstances? Surely you’d never think the 10 minutes you spent looking up sources gives you better insight than the voting body of the union members who are wagering their lives on this, right?

        Frankly, since you are probably an empathetic, thinking individual, im confused how you came to the conclusion to share a thought so comparitively shallow.

        EDIT: if people take the time to look at his history, he had none before this thread. His aim is to troll, so block him and move on with your lives

      • Hoomod@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        And?

        You should celebrate average people getting paid more, not complaining about it

        We don’t need CEOs who do basically nothing getting paid tens/hundreds of millions a year

          • JJROKCZ@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            These laborers are the only reason the company has profits or products, I don’t get your point. They should get their share of the pie no matter what the dollar amount is.

            Also, counting the cost of benefits isn’t a fair comparison, you can’t pay rent or buy bread with dental insurance.

      • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        These auto makers made $32 billion in profit last year! Just stop. UAW isn’t asking for anything outrageous

          • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Past performance? What about the past concessions UAM made to keep the doors open for the manufacturers during the great recession? Those companies promised to return them but never did?

              • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                1 year ago

                The bottom line is this workers made the company record money. Bottom line is the CEOs, executives, and stake holders have themselves 40% raises so why not the workers? And those concessions by the workers were not made during the pandemic. They were made during the 2008 great recession. The auto makers are not going to go broke because the workers demands. That’s just a lie.