• GarfieldYaoi [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        How do we re-appropriate conservative shit for our side? Even if it doesn’t work, it would at least piss them off to see a “come and take it” flag being waved at a union rally.

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          I think there’s potential to do that, especially if you go for the roots of their outrage, which can have legitimate sources, such as “I worked hard all my life and I keep getting fucked over” before it gets steered into “it’s because of the (slurs)” channels.

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            Right, like I think there is sincere merit to “meeting them where they’re at” and holding off on telling them “oh by the way, did you know EVERYTHING you were told by Fox News, the internet, and church was a lie?”. I don’t mean just doing tailism and coddling them, but realizing that not every grillman is a hedonistic CHUD. Anyone that lacks that curiosity and is just itching for the next ammo to use against minorities we can fully write off.

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          How do we re-appropriate conservative shit for our side?

          There’s a reason the term “old money” exists and not “old protections”; Old money’s spent generations keeping itself safe, which is probably why the French were like gui-better

          We’re not yet at the stage where the rich have developed anti- gui technology

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    IIRC Amazon has ludicrous turnover in their warehouses so the “do you want to gamble on better conditions?” point seems kind of ineffective. Like okay do I want to maybe get better conditions or definitely burn out in 4 months and quit?

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        I know people who’ve tried to salt in these warehouses and, well, even here it’s hard to physically find the time and energy. They actually use pathing algorithms that reduce efficiency to prevent employees from having too much contact.

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      A union is a new concept for most marginal workers. This means that for them to make the leap, they’ve got to overcome their uncertainty. If a company can cast even a little doubt, it can be tremendously effective.

      The traditional way to overcome this is to have coworkers be the ones advocating for a union, not staff. This is really hard at Amazon because of the high turnover. If you look at JFK8, Smalls was a manager, i.e., one of the only people not turning over every 3 months.

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      high turnover rate is actually good for the capitalists. It means a large reserve army of labor. it means a fresh supply of scabs. it means people will quit ‘‘before’’ they even ‘‘try’’ to unionize because they’ve been taught that’s what you do when a job sucks, you quit and get a new one that also sucks, and so on to infinity. Quitting will ‘‘always’’ be easier than unionizing, and people only unionize when they think “this is my job, I’m going to be here for a long time.” Unions were strongest when people worked in the same company their whole lives. The more mobile and nomadic the work force, the easier capital is able to dissuade unionization efforts.

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    No guarantees on pay, benefits, or work rules

    isnt this literally the thing unions are meant to solve? What kind of reverse psychology is this?

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        Even if they are fined 10 million dollars (about 10 million more than they’ll ever be fined) (what they make in about a minute) it will absolutely pale in comparison to their savings from union-busting.

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          The last contract between IBT and UPS transferred $30,000,000,000 (that’s 10 zeroes, thirty billion in the US) to the workers.

          If you want labor law to be meaningful, that’s what the fines have got to amount to.

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      Hey, they are just trying to make a living. Blame the corporations, not the workers. Unless i misunderstood you meaning.

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    I hope this backfires. They’re one of the richest companies in the world and the most notorious for treating their workers like shit. Anything they claim is bad for their workers will almost certainly be good for them. I hope people see through this.

    The “no guarantees” part is also very telling. It’s like they’re admitting that they’ll do whatever they can to avoid improving pay and conditions even if the workers start a union.

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    typically must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager

    Do those lanyard fucks really think workers want to go through supervisors or managers instead? lets-fucking-go

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        Boomers? Probably, but I doubt anyone under the age of 45 is going to be as blindly trusting of corporate as a boomer.

        Boomers are significantly older than 45, but Xers (including King Le X himself my-hero ) often have pretty much all the boomer traits too. grillman

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        There are a lot of rural Gen Z that believe in hustle culture and ‘working hard is moral in of itself’. They fall for this shit all the time, before injuring themselves.

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          hustle culture

          Rural Gen Z be priming us for the Cyberpunk future where corporations teach us about how cool Povertypunk is; who wants to be rich middle-class can afford olive garden this month inherited a home that’s been in your family since great grandma have a guarantee on 50$ in your wallet when you can get your hustle on!

          Get ready to replace those paltry flesh limbs with company approved robotic arms (subject to return policy when you exit the premises)!

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      “No guarantee on pay” is a threat. Workers know who benefits from a union and who loses, Amazon is just threatening to cut pay and benefits if they organize.

  • I know what the anti-union line is, and I know how it’s supposed to be effective, but does anyone see this shit and think “oh, yeah, I definitely trust my manager to give a shit about even one request I have.” Like I don’t think I’ve ever had a job where I didn’t fantasize occasionally about my immediate superior getting hit by a car.