Yes, Hamas should absolutely not have killed a single Israeli civilian or any civilian period. But none of your maybes justify more killing of civilians in Gaza.
Even if people in Gaza, who are constantly all their lives between a rock and a hard place with no clean water and no future prospects, voted for Hamas, still it does not justify Israel killing civilians.
I never said it ‘justifies’ it. Unless the civilians clear out, it is unfortunately inevitable. The difference is israelies arent going to be using their forces specifically to target civilians, unlike the other lot of animals
You said maybe Palestinians should leave. How would the civilians clear out when Israel has completely put it under siege and will likely shoot anyone leaving?
Also, would that not be a forced exodus of an ethnic group?
It’s not ethical. It’s war. War isn’t like in the movies.
Hitler could have spent the war in an appartment in the middle of Berlin, safe in the knowledge no one would ever dare bomb him. Stalin could have nuked NATO, safe in the knowledge NATO wouldn’t ever retaliate. If we allowed monsters who hide between civilians get away with it, they would inherit the earth. ISIS could tie a few civilians to the top of their tank, and murder us all. The Lord’s Resistance Army could have freely marched into town to procure a few more child sex slaves, because they were protected by the children they had previously abducted.
There are no good guys or bad guys in this conflict. Both sides have stolen land. A third of Israel’s population are ‘arab’ jews. They’ve lived in the region for millenia, and have just as much right to a country as the Palestinians. Let’s not pretend they’d be safe in a Palestinian state or welcomed if they fled to neighbouring countries, given how popular Mein Kampf still is in the region. You’d be exchanging defacto Apartheid for genocide.
And let’s not pretend that the Israelis have always undermined the peace process. For example, it’s no coincidence that Israeli politics shifted to the right after 2000, when Arafat walked away from further negotiations at Camp David, something even the Saudi ambassador described as criminal, and despite the Israeli PM offering far reaching and deeply unpopular concessions. Of course, Israel also helped Hamas’ rise to power, so once again no good guys or bad guys.
It’s a mess and now it’s a messy war.
All we can do is urge both sides to limit civilian casulties, not target them deliberately, but they are inevitable.
Yes, Hamas should absolutely not have killed a single Israeli civilian or any civilian period. But none of your maybes justify more killing of civilians in Gaza.
Even if people in Gaza, who are constantly all their lives between a rock and a hard place with no clean water and no future prospects, voted for Hamas, still it does not justify Israel killing civilians.
Yes, I agree completely
I never said it ‘justifies’ it. Unless the civilians clear out, it is unfortunately inevitable. The difference is israelies arent going to be using their forces specifically to target civilians, unlike the other lot of animals
You said maybe Palestinians should leave. How would the civilians clear out when Israel has completely put it under siege and will likely shoot anyone leaving?
Also, would that not be a forced exodus of an ethnic group?
And go where exactly?
who cares where. away. theres an open border. stop pretending they have no choice
There is no open border… not sure where you are getting this from.
Stop pretending you have the first clue about what you’re talking about and educate yourself. Thanks.
great retort genius
Yeah, I’m happy with it.
Likely the poor people who are caught in the middle of this nonsense.
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LOL
This is the Rafah checkpoint, currently out of order because Israel bombed it. If I recall correctly, they bombed it twice just for good measures.
Before that it wasn’t “open” to refugees if that’s what you are trying to tell these people.
Israel should leave. Palestinians were there first.
https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU
I think your ‘moral high ground’ can go fuck off
Nonsense.
War is war.
If the allies had avoided making any civilian casulties, the nazis would have won the war.
Not even that justifies it /:
It’s not ethical. It’s war. War isn’t like in the movies.
Hitler could have spent the war in an appartment in the middle of Berlin, safe in the knowledge no one would ever dare bomb him. Stalin could have nuked NATO, safe in the knowledge NATO wouldn’t ever retaliate. If we allowed monsters who hide between civilians get away with it, they would inherit the earth. ISIS could tie a few civilians to the top of their tank, and murder us all. The Lord’s Resistance Army could have freely marched into town to procure a few more child sex slaves, because they were protected by the children they had previously abducted.
There are no good guys or bad guys in this conflict. Both sides have stolen land. A third of Israel’s population are ‘arab’ jews. They’ve lived in the region for millenia, and have just as much right to a country as the Palestinians. Let’s not pretend they’d be safe in a Palestinian state or welcomed if they fled to neighbouring countries, given how popular Mein Kampf still is in the region. You’d be exchanging defacto Apartheid for genocide.
And let’s not pretend that the Israelis have always undermined the peace process. For example, it’s no coincidence that Israeli politics shifted to the right after 2000, when Arafat walked away from further negotiations at Camp David, something even the Saudi ambassador described as criminal, and despite the Israeli PM offering far reaching and deeply unpopular concessions. Of course, Israel also helped Hamas’ rise to power, so once again no good guys or bad guys.
It’s a mess and now it’s a messy war.
All we can do is urge both sides to limit civilian casulties, not target them deliberately, but they are inevitable.