Ambulances and private cars rushed some 350 casualties from the al-Ahli blast to Gaza City’s main hospital, al-Shifa, already overwhelmed with wounded from other strikes, said its director, Mohammed Abu Selmia. The wounded were laid onto bloody floors, screaming in pain.
“We are squeezing five beds into a single tiny room. We need equipment, we need medicine, we need beds, we need anesthesia, we need everything,” Abu Selmia said, warning that the fuel supply for the hospital’s generators will run out Wednesday. “I think Gaza’s medical sector will collapse within hours.”
This is heart wrenching and sickening.
Assuming Israel is responsible, they have a lot of nerve calling anyone else a terrorist.
The IDF claims this was caused by a mid-fire of Hamas rockets. Both sides have provided the exact same amount of evidence, zero. Maybe wait before hoping back on the anti-Israel bandwagon.
If you’re going to repost this random guess, at least fix your typo between copy paste.
Yes, that is exactly what was implied by the first four words of my comment. Maybe learn to read before jumping on the pro-Israel bandwagon.
Why are you pasting this exact same comment on any threads where the Israeli narrative is questioned? I’m trying to figure out if you’re part of a Mossad information op, or just a naive Fox News viewer.
Because every thread is identical and is saying the same crap
Fighting fire with fire eh?
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Here is the video of the bombing. https://youtube.com/shorts/cCSugJpGdO4
The video doesn’t show what caused the exposition.
Put the sound on and tell me without any shame that it’s rockets.
If it isn’t a rocket, then WTF is the sound before the explosion?
A proper missile
Oh, yeah. I thought you meant to say that it was explosives planted there.
That’s the sound a
makes.
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Yeah, with sound on the story is quite different. I had it muted last night.
That said, the value of any photographic or video evidence has gone down for a long time, especially now with AI. Even without that, tampering with a video’s sound has always been trivial.
So I’m generally skeptical of any such evidence, no matter which side it comes from. Moreso when we’re talking about war, where truth is the first casualty and manipulating the public opinion is very much part of any strategy.
It’s unfortunate, because real people are suffering and I’m here sitting comfortably and raising an eyebrow because I can’t trust the reports about it.
Video AI is a long way from a video like that. Images? Yeah possible. Video ai? Maybe next year.
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Last i saw it was the Israeli Jihad they were blaming it on.
You can’t convince me that’s not a Freudian slip.
Unfortunately, USInt seems to have arrived at the conclusion that nobody was right.
Israel didn’t do it, but neither did Hamas. It would seem that the bombing was carried out by an entirely different militia of Jihadi Palestinians, which if true could indicate that these were Boko Haram types that blew the thing because modern medical science is “too western”
God yeah sure bro it’s just a different group of islamist terrorists look I know Israel is blitzing social media with lies but can you take that money and at least come up with something a little more believable? Like if you’re going to treat us all to genocide propaganda do a better job
Do you think Hamas are the only Mujahedeen operating out of Palestine?
Bro Hamas isn’t even that popular with islamists because they’re shia and work so much with other shia.
That’s like the entire reason they go so nuts trying to look tough all the time, because all the Sunni Mujahedeen are also active and waiting for the chance to overtake them.
Groups like the Lion Den are only disregarded because they don’t have the faux-legitimacy of state Hamas does, even though they actually perform better against Israeli police and military in skirmishes.
It’s always the fuckin’ Bougeyeviks with these “I don’ know shit about the people I’m fetishizin’” takes.
Okay you all told me that this was a hamas rocket misfire and when people pointed out the damage is inconsistent with Hamas weapons now it’s the lion den that has infiltrated Gaza, brought over better munitions then misfired those munitions into a hospital that Israel has repeatedly threatened (and they lied about previously targeting hospitals) and I’m the naive one?
Nation states commit acts of war not acts of terror. If you think about it any act you would call terrorism would also be causus belli.
Any violence knowingly committed against civilians by a nation state should be considered an act of terrorism.
That is also an act of war. National militaries don’t commit acts of terrorism. They commit crimes against humanity, war crimes, or the justification of war aka causus belli.
You missed the key word there which was should be.
Attacking a hospital is outright terrorism imo and has no place in war. Attack a supply depot or some other strategic point but a fucking hospital? A place dedicated to treating any human being regardless of politics, status, etc. blown up.
Dogs. The lot of them. May the toll of the war bell ring loudest and the longest among them and each of their supporters.
No I didn’t miss it. These words mean things already. Terrorism is something non-state entities engage in. When nations do it they are called acts of war.
If a bunch of American burn down a bar in Canada that would be terrorism. If the US army did the same thing it would be a legal justification for Canada to declare war. That’s because militaries are acting on behalf of the country while random citizens are not.
There’s no reason for this to change unless you hold to the idea that somehow terrorism is worse than acts of war or war crimes which is pretty childish and ignorant.
Okay so you’re arguing pedantics. Let’s do it.
Can you find any official global sources that define terrorism vs an act of war?
I couldn’t but I only checked for a short while.
What does arguing pedantics mean? Note pedantics isn’t a word.
Yes the UN codes regarding war crimes.
It is still an example of terrorism, it is also a good Cassus Belli.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Except they are. Terrorists are non-state organizations.
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Nation states
Personally, I don’t recognize the 1948 decision to create this nation state out of thin air, displacing an already existing nation and illegally seizing their land. So I’m cool to keep talking about it as a terrorist organization, yeah? Okay, thanks.
The decision didn’t have gold fringe, so it isn’t real.
Don’t recognize it? There are 9 million people living in it, and worldwide recognition. Also the 48 decision was UN backed, meaning the nations of the world think otherwise. Jeez, you can not like someone while still admitting their existence.
Why do you equate Jewish people with Israel? That’s a zionist stance, not a Jewish stance. Of course Jewish people exist - but let’s not be arrogant enough to define a group of people by their one common characteristic and lump them all in together into one state, yeah?
I have no issues with Jewish people. At least not with those living outside Israel - those who moved there willingly did so at the expense of their own morals (provided they already had a good home somewhere else), as they knew they are displacing an existing culture. I do have some issues with:
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The creation of Israel, done by lobbying the correct people with the correct incentives (the promise of keeping Muslims in the region at bay, and of being a trade partner for the backers), without any claim on the land - you know, as opposed to the people actually fucking living there at the time
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Rich people exploiting the situation of Palestine pre-1948 to get richer. Also post-1948, let’s not act like selling arms to the Israeli slaughterhouse to continue their genocide on Muslims isn’t profitable for some immoral fucks.
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The ethnic cleansing that’s been going on in Palestine over the last 70 years
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Governments of the world pretending human lives don’t matter and that regions of land don’t belong to the people inhabiting them (and who have done so for generations).
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Appealing to those governments to form your opinion. The UN doesn’t recognize Taiwan. Wanna stroke their dicks for it, or can we agree some massive conglomerate of rich and powerful old cunts that trade in blood don’t really constitute a proper standard of morality?
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Establishing a state based on a religion. I like the division of church and state, I think it’s a good thing.
And so many others that I don’t have the energy to type, as this is really not a black and white subject, but it’s for sure not as gray as it’s being painted. It’s just another government installed in a region by external influences with superior firepower, with no rhyme or reason other than making money, like so many others in the world.
At the end of the day, this is my own opinion and the world as a whole doesn’t seem to agree - especially since the people in charge don’t really care if others agree or not, and since it’s not a hot topic or something that impacts us daily, there will never be the type of mass protests necessary to stop funding this terrorist organization. And I’ll probably die with this opinion, and nothing will change. In the meanwhile, what the fuck is your excuse for buying into the propaganda and supporting the 70 years of slaughter of a group of people?
Firstly, where did I mention jews? Israel have non-jews in it. But it’s a valid point, Israel is a jewish point - a home for the jews after the Holocaust - which 100% needed to happen since they’re persecuted all over the world. Even if you have no problem with jews, muslim states and nazis do.
Secondly, you shift all the blame of the situation on Israel, while they do have lots to blame for, so does the Palestinian leadership. They’re the ones teaching hate speech in schools, promoting violence against civilians, and not looking for a peaceful resolution benefitting their people.
Thirdly, yes Israel likes being jewish and is working hard to keep being jewish, but that’s their whole shtick. Does anybody blame Jordan or Egypt for being muslim by law? I certainly don’t hear them as much as Israeli protestors. Which again further solidifies the need for a jewish state - there isn’t a safe place for jews in this world but that state. Wanting to take that away is just wrong.
Also, I’d like you to keep in mind a simple point. How would arabs live under Israeli law (you can see examples in Israel right now - they have human rights) vs. how would jews live under Palestinian law (hint: they won’t). Yes, it’s wrong keeping gaza and the west bank under military power, but tbh what else can Israel do when suicide bombers arrive every day (and get praised heavily for it). The only solution is 2 states. Now after what Hamas did, I super doubt it is an option, and probably a total occupation of the land is eminent. Extremism brings extremism, and what Hamas did will make everything worse. That attack worsened the status quo, in the worst possible direction.
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There was no existing nation. Pre-47, it was British territory and before that, it was seized from the Ottoman Empire after WW1.
Simplistic statements about historical claims to territory will never work here. Nor will “keeping score” about whose team is getting revenge for what previous massacre and who’s killed the most children (what a fucking thing to have to spell out. holy shit.).
The sheer gall to bomb a hospital. Fucking sick. I’ll be calling all my representatives tonight to ask them if they really want to continue to enable these war criminals with military aid. The inhumanity is exhausting
They know they fucked up. That’s why they’re spreading FUD about it being a Hamas rocket or a Hamas HQ or whatever.
If Hamas had rockets of this explosive power, they would be launching them at Israel every day.
So the iron dome can make bigger explosions in the sky?
Fuck netanyahoo the war criminal but it’s wild how sure you are that this is how it works lmao. The iron dome hits those rockets with rockets. A bigger ordinance is still gonna go boom when that happens.
Do you have any clue as to what you’re talking about??
How much explosive power?
Spoiler: if they have an R next to their name, they most certainly do.
Not since I moved thankfully
Hamas put their headquarters in the hospital
That’s the one where patients went to after the bombing. The one hit, according to the article, was the Al-Ahli Hospital.
Do you people just like lick up whatever the IDF tells you
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061
I’m just saying. Hamas is a terrorist organization known for lying. They have a clear reason to do so here, and the evidence suggests they are in fact lying. This isn’t to justify a war, it’s to say that they are misleading here.
Do you people just lick up whatever Hamas tells you
The IDF claims this was caused by a mid-fire of Hamas rockets. Both sides have provided the exact same amount of evidence, zero. Maybe wait before hoping back on the anti-Israel bandwagon.
except Israel has already run exactly this playbook in 2014, and yes, they did bomb a hospital.
Check the updated news. Was a misfired rocket by Islamic Jihad
That is one sides claim, the other side claims the opposite. We do not know facts yet and its not helpful to pretend we do.
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you seriously think palestinian islamic jihad is more trust worthy than IDF?
and do you realistically think they will release statemaking them look bad?
surely hamas has claimed responsibility for taking creddit for bombing their own hospitals in the past and NOT blamed it on israelis right?
this instance is biased as fuck.
You seriously think the Palestinians have rockets that can single-handedly destroy hospitals, killing hundreds of people? Can you link me to a single other instance of a rocket doing similar amounts of damage?
No, you can’t. Because this is much more consistent with the damage caused by modern munitions manufactured by the US and provided to Israel.
You are biased as fuck.
It’s not biased to say “facts are good”. I don’t think anything, I don’t believe anything. I wait for facts and try not to disseminate misinformation. How about you?
Israel isn’t known to be honest either. Just look at the killing Shireen Abu Akleh.
It’s the fucking IDF, I would trust Satan if they contradicted him.
Yes and I trust neither side. IDF is historically untrustworthy.
Imagine thinking the IDF is trustworthy at all.
You think Israel will say “Yeah, we bombed the hospital and killed hundreds of people”?
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The Palestinian Islamic jihad is the second most powerful terrorist group in Gaza.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza/card/what-is-islamic-jihad-UY3u6imDNfw97XamRnWJIslamic Jihad of Palestine specifically. They are in fact a group somewhat separate from Hamas, and even more extreme.
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Can anyone here explain what moral right does USA have here to come in an intervene on side of Israel at the same time threatening Iran from taking side of Palestine? Now that a hospital with over 500 deaths have been made by Israel. Wouldn’t… That fall on hands of USA too since they brought their warships nearby and thousands of troops at the ready?
We don’t regardless of whose fault the hospital was
The IDF claims this was caused by a mid-fire of Hamas rockets. Both sides have provided the exact same amount of evidence, zero. Maybe wait before hoping back on the anti-Israel bandwagon.
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He’s spamming the same comment because people are jumping to the same conclusions.
What people like you fail to understand is that there is no ‘good guys’ in this war. What we have is a Freddie vs Jason scenario: two terrorist organisations fighting each other and killing civilians indiscriminately as they go. Did Israel hold Gaza under Apartheid like conditions? Yes. Did they end up inadvertently creating Hamas? Yes. Did Hamas ever need to target civilians? No.
With how bloodthirsty and indiscriminate both sides are, it really could have been either one that blew up the hospital.
What I’ve seen in this thread is people asking for evidence. If it really could have been Hamas or the another Palestinian group, don’t you think they’d be bombing the shit out of Israel? Until there’s real proof one way or the other, all we have is he said/she said.
The accusation laid at the feet of Hamas appears to be that it was an errant rocket. And like you said we have zero evidence one way or another
Even to say they are both bad guys gets you downvotes on Lemmy.
Eh. Doesn’t bother me. In the words of Rick Sanchez:
“Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer.”
Yes, show us that you base your moral compass on what a narcissistic and just generally bad person who is a CARTOON
Who said anything about basing my morals on Rick Sanchez?
My point is, if you’re going to downvote me for calling both the Israeli government and Hamas terrorists, then at very best you’re looking the other way when one of them is committing their terrorist atrocities. Which I find utterly reprehensible. Therefore I don’t care what you think.
Which is exactly what Rick Sanchez is saying in that line.
Hey I heard Israel is paying influencers 1k a video to spread propaganda what do they pay per post?
I heard Hamas get a bounty for every Israeli they kill as long as they are under the age of 18
Story has been updated:
KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — The Israeli military says it had no involvement in an explosion that killed hundreds of people at a Gaza City hospital and that the blast was caused by a misfired Palestinian rocket.
The Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza says an Israeli airstrike caused the blast, and that it killed some 500 people, many of whom had sought shelter from an ongoing Israeli offensive.
The Israeli military, however, said Palestinian militants had fired a barrage of rockets near the hospital at the time.
The Guardian mentioned that this much damage with one rocket would likely go above the usual capabilities of Hamas.
Not saying that it couldn’t be that, but certainly something to consider.
Wasn’t fired from Hamas, problem solved
There is more than two players here
On the one hand, bombing a hospital is pretty brazen even for Israel, especially as your most important ally is en route for a visit, and the explanation of a Hamas rocket going astray does seem plausible. On the other hand, I’m not inclined to trust the word of a country that has proudly cut off food and water for 2.2 million people for over a week now. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt when your actively committing war crimes. Also it may not have been intentional, a IDF pilot could have just missed a target or gone rogue. I’m sure no UN inspectors will ever be let in to examine the scene to make a determination, so we’ll probably never know the truth. It probably doesn’t matter much, the dead are dead either way, the grieving families will grieve either way, and all sides of the conflict will believe what they want to further their political ends, including Hezbollah using potentially using this as a justification for a broader conflict. It’s just tragedy on top of tragedy.
Israel bombed a Palestinian hospital in 2014, what was their initial response?
The Israeli military denied initial reports that its forces were responsible for the strikes, saying instead that the bombing was the result of rockets misfired by Palestinian militants — while Hamas cast blame back at Israel.
Sound familiar?
Shocker, it came out that they did in fact bomb the hospital and killed children. Israel will always blame Palestine for its mistakes.
So we’re calling a mid-air exploded rocket a bomb now?
It is not plausible it is a Hamas rocket.
Only modern munitions have the power to destroy hospitals and kill hundreds of people.
If Hamas had such rockets, they would be launching them at Israel every day.
All aid, except medical help for their own injured, to israel should be stopped in return to the hospital strike. But it wont happen because the US likes to strike hospitals as well.
I’d like to see you prove it was an Israeli strike first. Fuck netanyahoo the war criminal but it’s wild how sure everyone is based on fuck all
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Photos purportedly from al-Ahli Hospital shared widely on social video showed fire engulfing the building, widespread damage and bodies scattered in the wreckage.
Hamas, which sparked the latest war with an attack last week that killed more than 1,400 Israelis, called Tuesday’s hospital strike “a horrific massacre.” It said in a statement that most of the casualties were displaced families, patients, children and women.
With Israel barring entry of water, fuel and food into Gaza since Hamas’ brutal attack last week, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken secured an agreement with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss creation of a mechanism for delivering aid to the territory’s 2.3 million people.
“The return of the hostages, which is sacred in our eyes, is a key component in any humanitarian efforts,” he told reporters, without elaborating whether Israel was demanding the release of all of the roughly 200 people Hamas abducted before allowing supplies in.
A barrage of strikes crashed into the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, leveling an entire block of homes and causing dozens of casualties among families inside, residents said.
Associated Press journalists Amy Teibel in Jerusalem; Abby Sewell in Beirut; Samy Magdy and Jack Jeffrey in Cairo; and Ashraf Sweilam in el-Arish, Egypt contributed to this report.
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