The majority of people who identify as centrist/libertarian/“on the fence” are purely doing it because they know that saying they’re conservative gets them attacked.
In the US there really is no compromise anymore, nor can there be. If you willingly vote for a facist, racist, sexist party under any circumstances I’m personally not interested in your opinions at all, because you’ve deemed whatever minor policy more important than my, and many others, ability to live safely in this country.
This seems to be what the so-called centrists don’t get. The issues may be important, but “I am ok with rapists, fascism, and manipulating/stealing elections” should be a dealbreaker.
Even if someone rejects everything else, there’s no doubt that Republicans are the perpetuating force behind Gerrymandering, and that the goal of Gerrymandering is for a minority of voters in a state to have more power in the Federal government.
I am not okay with any of the things you listed and I’d be classified by some as a Centrist or an Independent.
I am also not okay with the politically motivated manipulation of language to support whatever cause a side happens to be involved in which is a thing that both left and right-wings do in the USA.
I’d like to remind you about your other post where you were defending a centrist who voted for all those horrible things “because abortion”. If your “centrist” bin includes everyone from the alt-left to the alt-right, you’re using the word wrong. You’ve already related centrism to the Left, and already related centrism to the Right. At this point, Centrism in your replies to me means “I vote, or I don’t vote”.
I didn’t “defend” them, I simply mentioned that they exist. I’m pro-choice, but stating that they’re right wingers in disguise is disingenuous at best when they only agree with ONE issue. It just so happens to be one that causes them to vote that way.
I don’t relate Centrism to the left or right as it can be quite literally in between any two groups (the example I used elsewhere was between the Green Party and NDP in Canada - both heavily left-leaning parties). To use the above example, a person that wants unlimited abortion available up to the third trimester would be a Centrist on the issue. You can also be Right or Left wing on a specific issue and Centrist on others or overall.
I think we’re going to have to disagree. You seem to have this fantasy about the Center that is so foreign to anything that actually happens it’s getting impossible to respond to you. Not because your arguments are right or wrong, but because they’re coming across as nonsense now.
So… you don’t understand what it is and have your own personal definition, and you don’t like people who match your definition, therefore all that you apply the label to are bad? That seems pretty par for the course for what I’ve seen from US politics currently - anti-intellectual and quick to think the absolute worst about others.
The majority of people who identify as centrist/libertarian/“on the fence” are purely doing it because they know that saying they’re conservative gets them attacked.
In the US there really is no compromise anymore, nor can there be. If you willingly vote for a facist, racist, sexist party under any circumstances I’m personally not interested in your opinions at all, because you’ve deemed whatever minor policy more important than my, and many others, ability to live safely in this country.
This seems to be what the so-called centrists don’t get. The issues may be important, but “I am ok with rapists, fascism, and manipulating/stealing elections” should be a dealbreaker.
Even if someone rejects everything else, there’s no doubt that Republicans are the perpetuating force behind Gerrymandering, and that the goal of Gerrymandering is for a minority of voters in a state to have more power in the Federal government.
I am not okay with any of the things you listed and I’d be classified by some as a Centrist or an Independent.
I am also not okay with the politically motivated manipulation of language to support whatever cause a side happens to be involved in which is a thing that both left and right-wings do in the USA.
I’d like to remind you about your other post where you were defending a centrist who voted for all those horrible things “because abortion”. If your “centrist” bin includes everyone from the alt-left to the alt-right, you’re using the word wrong. You’ve already related centrism to the Left, and already related centrism to the Right. At this point, Centrism in your replies to me means “I vote, or I don’t vote”.
I didn’t “defend” them, I simply mentioned that they exist. I’m pro-choice, but stating that they’re right wingers in disguise is disingenuous at best when they only agree with ONE issue. It just so happens to be one that causes them to vote that way.
I don’t relate Centrism to the left or right as it can be quite literally in between any two groups (the example I used elsewhere was between the Green Party and NDP in Canada - both heavily left-leaning parties). To use the above example, a person that wants unlimited abortion available up to the third trimester would be a Centrist on the issue. You can also be Right or Left wing on a specific issue and Centrist on others or overall.
I think we’re going to have to disagree. You seem to have this fantasy about the Center that is so foreign to anything that actually happens it’s getting impossible to respond to you. Not because your arguments are right or wrong, but because they’re coming across as nonsense now.
So… you don’t understand what it is and have your own personal definition, and you don’t like people who match your definition, therefore all that you apply the label to are bad? That seems pretty par for the course for what I’ve seen from US politics currently - anti-intellectual and quick to think the absolute worst about others.
Here’s Wikipedia’s definition if you like. Mine matches it.
Yeah! And stay outta Woolsworth!