This is tipping culture out of control.
Tipping culture is tipping culture out of control.
You should see the insane way it’s worshipped in the USA, all as an obviously thin front to avoid paying wages and giving workers rights. It’s wild.
Worshiped? What country do you live in? The biggest argument I see for it is ‘its absolutely bullshit but some jobs that’s almost all they make’
I don’t think I’ve ever, in my 41 years here, seen a single human being say it’s an amazing system.
You obviously haven’t been talking to servers that make $200 a night in cash tips they don’t pay taxes on. My fiancé works in marketing for a large winery, and some of the kids they would bring in to work the restaurant would be making tons of money from it. Those are the people who love it
You don’t talk to enough servers that aren’t 20 year old blonde chicks. And even then, there are slow nights where they bring home $50 in tips. It’s a predatory system for all involved except the owner class.
Okay? The point is that there are people who like the system, and those are the people I outlined. That’s the point of my comment as a reply to the comment above. No one here has said it’s not predatory.
Or the people in the back of the house that bust their ass, are sometimes highly trained, and take home less than the person carrying food back and forth.
That’s not the discussion going on? We are talking about who the people are that champion for tipping.
They’re supposed to pay federal income tax on their tips in the USA. However, it being cash, most people take it as “under the table” wages.
I know they are supposed to, but most servers don’t. Some business will even give out your debit/credit tips in cash so you don’t have to claim them.
You’ve never gotten into an argument with someone who says they tip their mechanic and doctor and thinks everybody should do the same?
There absolutely are people in the US who believe that everybody you interact with as a customer should be tipped because they believe all the propaganda from the likes of Readers Digest and Wall Street Journal. They believe everybody must be tipped because covid and “How are those jobs any different from being a server? It’s a SERVICE!” It’s beyond ridiculous. I worked in retail and food service (not tipped) for a long time and would have been embarrassed to have to resort to begging for tips.
Tip culture worship is real. I’ve run into plenty of people online and offline who think that tips should be mandatory everywhere, of all walks of life.
People tipping their doctor? I don’t even pay my doctor, my insurance does that.
Yup, I’ve seriously gotten into arguments with people who insist on tipping the doctor.
there’s a great citations needed episode on the shitty origins of it and the shitty circumstances it creates: https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/ep-118-the-snitch-economy-how-tipping-and-rating-systems-pit-working-people-against-each-other
Waiting tables. Bartending. Hospitality, food delivery, beauty salons, rideshare driving. The service industry, as anyone who has worked in it knows all too well, is notorious for relying on tipping to undercut employee wages and deputize individual customers to determine how much money a worker should be able to take home. Amid increasing recognition of these injustices, a number of campaigns and new laws surfaced, pre-pandemic, to abolish or meaningfully reduce the practice of tipping.
But despite the best efforts of these campaigns, tipping remains the industry - and American society - standard. Indeed, the perverse logic of tipping has broadened into an ever-present ‘snitch economy’ - an ecosystem of tactics like mystery shoppers and Uber and Yelp rating systems designed to police the behavior of workers while outsourcing the costs of said supervision to customers and other workers.
In the process, our snitch economy pits those being surveilled against those doing the watching, and the judging. Through a ubiquitous public-facing network of rating and reviewing other people’s labor - and often the behavioral disposition they exhibit while working - people with otherwise very little power are elevated to temporary positions of authority over others, fostering a culture of surveillance rather than one of solidarity. The snitch economy serves the dual purpose of not only giving working people a false sense of power when they’re the ones being served, but also reducing millions of human interactions to opportunities for not only snap judgments, but subjective rewards and retribution.
Tf are you on about? Idk where you’re getting your impressions from but it is absolutely not ‘worshipped’ in the US.
I think it’s shopped
I could see them doing this
shopping culture is out of control here
These screens aren’t usually touch-sensitive, no? I don’t usually fill up at Valero’s, but those buttons on the side are often used because the screens aren’t designed for touch. I’m in a cold climate though, so maybe they just don’t use them here…
Hopefully it’s close to a tipping point
Corpos with their first already up your ass, now asking for more: “Come on, just
thea tip?”
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Pretty sure that’s not a touch screen, as evidenced by the buttons on the side. My assumption is photoshopped but also only a matter of time.
In mexico ATMs are like this, touch and with buttons that still work.
Same in Germany.
The buttons are for the visually impaired and you can let a voice read out your choices in order.
Same
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The buttons are for the visually impaired.
Kinda like this flat printed Braille?
That is some truly malicious compliance on what is clearly a sticker
Translation: ⠞⠓⠁⠞ ⠊⠎ ⠎⠕⠍⠑ ⠞⠗⠥⠇⠽ ⠍⠁⠇⠊⠉⠊⠕⠥⠎ ⠉⠕⠍⠏⠇⠊⠁⠝⠉⠑ ⠕⠝ ⠺⠓⠁⠞ ⠊⠎ ⠉⠇⠑⠁⠗⠇⠽ ⠁ ⠎⠞⠊⠉⠅⠑⠗
I always loved having to make sure the aids for the visually impaired worked, ON THE DRIVE-THOUGH!
The amount of people not recognizing this as fake really, really bothers me.
Considering how bad begging people for tips has become, it’s understandable they wouldn’t.
I went to an OnCue a few months ago, made myself a fountain drink, and went to the self-checkout to ring myself up. The self-checkout asked me for a tip. I have never been back to that OnCue ever again.
The amount of people talking about video ads on their gas pumps really bothers me. That seems faker than the tip screen to me, yet the level of discussion makes it sound common.
So I’m not sure what I’m supposed to think anymore.
Where do you live where you’ve never encountered this? I live in New England, and its not at every gas station, but its not uncommon.
I don’t remember at what company, but I’ve seen this more than once and it’s always hilarious. It’s quite funny watching my SO try and find the hidden mute or close ad button too. I’m glad I’m not from the US myself.
None of the gas stations around me have rhe “mute” button enabled, but thankfully most of the stations locally don’t blare ads at you while pumping gas. There was one station that tried it years ago and their pumps were constantly vandalized.
I’m honestly usually surprised that gas stations are often far removed from the highway, and that people used to pump gas for you in many areas.
The ads at gas stations are so unnecessary and dumb, and the tips are so so strange.
their pumps were constantly vandalized
good. as they should be.Kwik Trip has the same mute button on all of their pumps, but not all stations have it labeled. I imagine it’ll be similar for other chains. But if nothing else press all of the buttons and any fun combination you can think of and see what happens! On many card kiosks pressing the 4 corners will force-reboot the computer in it for example
Sometimes it’s a 2-key combo, 1 on each side. :) Just experiment.
I should not have to find the combination to get a gas pump to stop advertizing to me. There should be zero ads, or at the least an easy to find and clearly marked “mute” button. It’s easier to break things than it is to find the right buttons.
I can see this happening on a system originally designed for a different retail environment, and nobody bothered to get rid of the tip screen.
Or someone was about to disable the tip screen and some clueless middle manager asked if the tip screen could increase the amount of the sale, then ordered it left in.
I should be legally allowed to smash those screens if they play ads while I’m pumping my gas.
You used to be able to mute them by pressing one of the side buttons but now that just cancels your transaction and stops the pump.
I don’t need advertisements shoved in my face every second of every day.
Standing there pumping gas is one of the last vestiges of just stopping and being there.
Last time I discovered a machine’s ads couldn’t be muted, I stopped the pumps and I’ll never go back to that gas station.
The level of disrespect is mind boggling.
Second button down on the right didn’t work?
They seem to have learned that everyone knows this feature and now they’re disabling it. I think I’ll just start stabbing the speakers until they get the message to stop this shit
Nope
You guys have ads on your gas pumps?
Ok the US is really the preview of the dystopian future companies imagine.
We have them in France too :(
It’s hell
It’s annoying but I wouldn’t call it dystopian.
At least where I live, it’s an equal mix of “wear your seatbelt”, “don’t text and drive”, and weed dispensaries.It’s not exactly prime advertising space, so you really just get PSAs and weed.
Worst part is when you’re getting gas late at night, say after driving back from a family dinner in another city and so you’re tired and full, and you’re all alone at the pumps on an otherwise quiet night.
Something deep inside the pumps makes them decide to start playing their advertisments from all the pumps at once, but they’re not perfect, so they’re just a little out of sync.
So it’s dark and you’re tired, relaxed, and almost home. When out of nowhere, from all around you, comes the stereophonic cacophonous cry of “B-B-B-BONGS! B-B-B-BLUNTS! AND MORE, AT THE HOUSE OF DDDDANKKKKK!”It’s definitely annoying, but I wouldn’t call it a dystopia.
Yep - screens on every pump play ads the entire time you get gas.
It’s actually one of the few places I’m fine with ads. I’m just standing there and I can’t look at my phone so why not. Ads are only annoying when I’m trying to do something else like watch a video.
I don’t drive much anymore, but when I did I would avoid gas stations with screens (aside from payment screens obviously). If I saw that an unfamiliar gas station had one, I’d get back in my car and get gas elsewhere even if it was a tad more expensive. Forced viewing of advertisements makes me violently angry, and I don’t need the stress of trying to repress that anger
Alright I haven’t been to a gas pump in a few months, but when did they start playing ads??? Shit is crazy. Maybe I just never noticed, come to think of it I’ve never been the one pumping the gas before
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Here in the Inland empire some stations dont have speaking ads and the ones that do are still largely mutable luckily.
Some have been playing ads for years.
They’ve been playing ads for at least a decade… though in the early days, some of the gas stations near me played some cringy jimmy kimmel shit instead of ads (somehow, i preferred having my ears violated by the ads)
Yet one more thing that makes me thankful to have gotten rid of my car completely… not being dependent on gas stations is super liberating.
You used to be able to mute them by pressing one of the side buttons
That only mutes the shit that plays constantly from the pump even when nobody is there using it. Once you start pumping, they start playing different shit that can’t be muted.
Depends on the station. I am still able to mute at most of the stations I’ve used recently.
I try to keep track of ones that can’t be turned off so I know to never visit that gas station ever again
I think we can agree that they all fucking suck.
What is this world coming to?? That’s just nuts
This has to be from theonion
Please tell me this is photoshopped and these fuckers aren’t seriously asking for tips at self service stations…
Hey, don’t be so cruel. These machines are paid below minimum wage, and if you don’t tip, they won’t be able to pay their rent and student loans.
they won’t be able to pay their rent and student loans.
You mean their software subscriptions and cloud storage fees.
Yeh. Rent and student loans.
Those night classes to move up from soda dispenser to gas pump will pay off eventually.
Do real servers not deserve to pay their rent/student loans?
No
Starve
Yeah haha definitely fake, these pumps don’t have touch screens so this interface wouldn’t work on them. Choices have to be aligned with the 4 buttons on the left and right. Second one from the top on the right side will mute the ads also.
I’m sorry, did you just say “mute the ads”? Damn, america really is in the terminal stages of late stage capitalism
Yes they are loud and obnoxious to get attention too.
Second one from the top on the right side will mute the ads also.
Not always.
Yeah I’ve never gotten any of the buttons to do it.
Internet wives tale.Strange, it’s worked at every pump I’ve tried
Yeah same with me. Circle K is the only place around here whose pumps play ads though, so maybe it’s just their machines it works on. Someone even scrawled “<- mute” in permanent marker next to the button on all their pumps.
Yeah, very angrily discovered this the other day while filling up my bike. Ear plugs go right back in, in spite of needing the break.
It for sure works at every Circle K I’ve been to, at least.
That touchscreen plays ads loudly as well.
Drink a verification can of Mountain Dew to continue pumping gas.
Wait, you guys don’t pump your own gas by default? Is this some American thing I’m too europoor to understand?
Most states do (illegal to pump your own in New Jersey), but the joke is more about tipping culture in this country.
This meme isn’t implying that it’s unusual to pump your own gas. It’s implying that tipping culture in the US is progressing to the point of asking you to tip when you didn’t receive a service performed by anyone since you did it yourself.
Self service is the default for most of the US. New Jersey and (I think) Oregon require full service gas stations though.
I think Oregon got rid of that law last year… New Jersey still has it though
Today I had lunch at a restaraunt, I was given the option to tip so I did, expecting to get service. I got the fast food treatment, they threw a tray on the counter that I had to pickup and when I went to leave they made me bus my own table…
I’ve got family that used to rely on tips so I’ve always been a generous tipper. The recent tip culture has completely changed me though and now these expected tips just piss me off.
we have started carrying cash just to avoid the tip screen at places like this…
Personally I’ll tip 10% or less if its an establishment that shouldn’t be asking for a tip, and 20% for an actual tipped profession. More ideally tipping will be phased out because these POS systems are letting it really get out of hand
I think you’re part of the problem dude, tipping 10% when they shouldn’t be asking for tips means that it’s worth it to them to now ask for tips.
I see it as I’d rather give a meager tip than no tip if I incorrectly identify whether or not I should be giving a tip
Oh, I see. Yeah the wording is weird in that case, “forced” to pump your own gas
In some parts of New York you have to wait and have someone else pump your gas, they call them and attendant. I lived in New York for a while, and it was just terrible, any gas station that required you to wait for someone else to pump your gas I just drove past. Because they would always be slow as hell. Meanwhile it was a clear in and out at all of the self-service stations
I’ve almost never seen this in NY. It’s a jersey thing, and it’s stupid as fuck.
It depends on where you are in New York, I lived in Niskayuna for a while, most of them were self-service, but I had at least one or two telling me to get into a line and wait for someone to pump my gas for me. And I just left immediately, next door had the same number of pumps, but no line because it was an establishment that was fully self-service. Meanwhile the one that wanted me to wait in line only had one guy attending the pumps.
I imagine the closer you get to Jersey the more common it is
I’ve been around all of NY, and even right next to Jersey it’s still not common. Maybe within Manhattan or Staten Island as those are the only 2 boroughs where I’ve never gotten gas, but even places right on the border of NJ mostly don’t have it. Agreed tho, hate anywhere that does it and I’ll just leave immediately.
For the record I am talking about the state not the city.
Likewise, but I see why my comment would make you think I was only referring to the city.
It was a common thing when I lived there. I told people I had moved to New York and I kept getting spiels about how a North Carolina chick like me could never survive the big city… when given more context they calmed down.
I lived in Oneonta for a bit before Niskayuna. It had been temporary. I was only there to have my GRS done (am trans) went back home when the procedure was finally done
I was so glad to make the switch. I had so many people larping Southerners there, talking about how they’re “Just like the dude from Duck Dynasty” and how great my home state was because “Everyone down there is rich becauae liberals don’t make them pay taxes!”
It was certainly eye opening. I suddenly knew how a Native American feels when John Jackson over at the frathouse puts on a feathered headdress and starts talking about “Hunting buffalo for many moons” in his worst impression of whatever racist old Western he’s seen.
I think what made me hit the peak of this nonsense was when I was eating at a local diner where the owners were speaking in a (blatantly forced) Southern Accent one morning, and I asked if they served grits.
They looked at me as if I had just asked for them to kill and serve me their pet dog, even had some guy (one of their regulars, it was a small town) munching a bagel audibly voice his disgust that someone would actually ask for grits.
Ya know what we call people who eat bagels in North Carolina? Tourists
And I think anyone who’s seen My Cousin Vinny knows how much we Southern folk like our grits.
When I moved to Niskayuna the situation improved. Sure it looked less like my home town, but that was for the best… I’d rather have Real New Yorkers introducing me to the best pizza I’ve ever had in my life than Fake Southerners scolding me for wanting grits.
In Mexico there are people working in the gas station, and it is up to you to tip or not, I usually only do it when they (unasked) clean my windows.
Same in Brazil - in fact, if you tried to pump your own gas the employee would probably get scared and call the cops lol
lol I can see that happening.
So since you’re the one providing the labour in the transaction, this means you’re getting a tip FROM the gas station, right? R… Right?
In which case I’ll choose the 200% tip
Yes, you just have to pay it yourself since you are also the customer
It’s because the POS (point of sale) software isn’t customized for the application correctly. Either through laziness, ignorance, indifference, or a level of greed that only insane troll logic could make sense of
Not only do you pump your own gas you also are the one to pay at the pump and deal with any issues that come up.
I scan my own groceries and i’ll keep track of the hours to eventually hit them with a “freelance register operater” bill for €55 an hour.
As i’m freelance i need to pay 49% taxes on that and another x amount for insuring myself in case i have a work related accident, i’ll be left with roughly €20 an hour which is a little over my actual wage as i’m apparently so skilled they want me to do the job so it must be worth it to them.
I think everyone everywhere should pull this shit, even if it’s just to make a point. Show them how much they rely on free labour while living in big houses and driving fancy cars lol.
Sure, I’ll leave a -20% tip!
Here’s a tip; stop asking for a tip.
This is why we have arson
It seem to be best practice, and predatory best practice.
Some people fear of being jugded if they don’t follow the mass. And the tip screen make them question themselves like “everybody else tip, what will they think if I don’t ?” “What if someone watch over my shoulder and feel disgusting if I don’t tip ?”
And those people we call “suckers”
Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it. (Augustine)
Actually, I’m gonna need a refund
You pump gas good! TIP YOSELF
