• zephyreks@lemmy.ml
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    Palestinians tried peaceful protest. They got shot.

    Hamas only exists because other strategies haven’t worked.

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      Don’t think you and I on an Internet forum are going to come up with the solution for world peace.

      Hamas only exists because other strategies haven’t worked.

      It’s been said that it’s Iran that lets Hamas exist, as Iran is trying to control and influence the region of the planet they live in (as any other major power would do in their corner of the world), and that their primary goal is not peace between the Palestinians and Israeli.

      But again, we’re not going to figure this all out on an Internet forum.

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        So that’s why innocent protests in Palestine get protestors shot?

        Don’t let the perfect solution prevent you from finding any solution.

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          So that’s why innocent protests in Palestine get protestors shot?

          Ultimately, yes. We’re all more interconnected with each other than we’d like to admit, and violence begets violence.

          Don’t let the perfect solution prevent you from finding any solution.

          I never do.

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                Your claim to me showing you that innocent protestors got shot is to claim that “violence begets violence”

                What exactly do you mean?

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                  Your claim to me showing you that innocent protestors got shot

                  No, it’s not. Please stop putting words in my mouth, and creating strawman.

                  This is what I originally said when you brought up that claim…

                  Ultimately, yes. We’re all more interconnected with each other than we’d like to admit, and violence begets violence.

                  By ultimately I mean indirectly, not directly, and hence, violence begets violence.

                  What exactly do you mean?

                  That everything is not just its own unique moment in time. You have to consider the meta, and the events that leads up to other events. It’s a chain of events.

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                    So you’re apologizing for the IDF shooting unarmed, innocent, civilian protestors? Many of them women and children?

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          The solution is known, it’s a secular state - which the US is actively opposing.

          Not sure I’m understanding you correctly or not.

          Are you saying that the US should force Israel to be a secular state?

          Can one country force another country as to what their belief system should be?

          The masses may be opposed, but you’re just the cattle that feeds the beast.

          Moooo, I guess. /shrug

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              The biggest boon toward a secular state would be the absence of the US’ current interference.

              How so? Honestly curious (specifically the secular part, not in general).

              Also, while I am not an Israeli expert, my understanding was that a portion of the population is already seculist.