He’s still the GOAT to me. I do think it’s unfair to NOT hold his record without Brady against him to some degree. It hasn’t been so bad that it knocks him off the GOAT coach spot for me personally though.
100%. I think a lot of fans are in this boat, but the loudest fans are saying he isn’t the GOAT. Even with Brady, a bad coach would have sunk him. There is simply too much body of work with Brady where things worked, and not enough post Brady to say he stinks (I think the pats snuck into the playoffs one year with Mac Jones). I’m too young to remember the BB pre patriot years, but my understanding is that they weren’t good.
To the loud fans saying he isn’t the GOAT coach, who is? Brady was viewed as a game manager for the first 3 super bowls and BB assembled great defenses. I think if you substitute out Brady for another very good QB, BB still wins 4-5 super bowls over that time frame.
I think Brady’s greatness was really proven in the second half of his career. The first half was more on BB. So I disagree that he’d be replaced by 2006, but I could see him getting replaced around 2013-2016 without Brady.
He’s still the GOAT to me. I do think it’s unfair to NOT hold his record without Brady against him to some degree. It hasn’t been so bad that it knocks him off the GOAT coach spot for me personally though.
All you have to do to block the dumb argument against him is say look at all of those patriot defenses
He was never the GOAT to me. Bill Walsh is the GOAT.
And I’m gonna tell you why.
Bill Walsh’s concepts are used on all 32 teams. And not just on the field. But in player evaluation, and player-coach relations.
Bill Walsh laid the blueprint that everyone follows to run an organization on and off the field.
I have Belichick #2 all time.
100%. I think a lot of fans are in this boat, but the loudest fans are saying he isn’t the GOAT. Even with Brady, a bad coach would have sunk him. There is simply too much body of work with Brady where things worked, and not enough post Brady to say he stinks (I think the pats snuck into the playoffs one year with Mac Jones). I’m too young to remember the BB pre patriot years, but my understanding is that they weren’t good.
To the loud fans saying he isn’t the GOAT coach, who is? Brady was viewed as a game manager for the first 3 super bowls and BB assembled great defenses. I think if you substitute out Brady for another very good QB, BB still wins 4-5 super bowls over that time frame.
I think if you sub Brady out for anyone else, New England has a new head coach by 2006.
I think Brady’s greatness was really proven in the second half of his career. The first half was more on BB. So I disagree that he’d be replaced by 2006, but I could see him getting replaced around 2013-2016 without Brady.