Strikes, occupations and uhm very persuasive in person arguments are some of the things that have worked historically.
Bringing a Constitution and Guillotine did work out in the end for the Danish worker’s movement of 1848, when the king conceded. A violent uprising was averted.
If you think two party system suck, just don’t hope for a multiparty system. Those suck even more. You never know which idiot will end up building a coalition and coming to power.
yeah I don’t see much issue in that given the idiots we get now. At least the others have to juggle their coalition and are subject to no confidence votes and the opposition has a shadow cabinet ready to go.
The two party system also juggles coalitions, but we know them most popularly as voting blocks in the general population or caucuses in the parties. This is one of the reasons Sinema and Manchin held so much power from '20-'22. Our caucuses and voting blocks don’t always give power to individuals, but mostly to agendas.
None of them - that weren’t from the largest party.
Basically, they got the same as first past the post Trump, but had to bring along less shit parties along instead of being a political mono-culture like FPTP creates. So even at their worst, they’re still better.
Everyone has to either eat poop or glass. It’s going to suck either way but one way is going to significantly suck more than the other. Guess what? There’s a vote tomorrow and if you don’t vote then you might have to eat the worst one. Do you just not vote and prove a point to your non-existent audience or vote for the lesser of two evils?
Voting for the lesser evil allows us opportunity to make real change at the community level. You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be easier with fascist in charge do you? (And yours is an honest question and you are organizing right? You’re not just spreading doom and making things worse?) You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be more successful with fascists in charge do you? Because while it might be true, this is called “accelerationism”, which is an extremely risky position.
Those willing to risk the lives of minorities to make a point often appear to others with a more rational position to be privileged.
Because bipartisan is about voting for the lesser evil to ruin your life. Being complacent just relinquishes to an assurance it will be the shittiest because the bigger voting population are looking for the easiest way to fuck you up. Voting is that easy way for them. They don’t even care that they will be fucked over by it too. They just can’t stand someone out there will have sex with someone they did not approve of and apparently this is more important to them than accessible healthcare or slowing climate change.
Fuck Biden and fuck Putin.
(Even though I did vote for Biden in 2020 and plan to again in 2024 if he’s the Democratic nominee.)
Exactly this. Fuck this lesser of two evils that I have to vote for because two party systems suck.
But no one is loud about that because it’s obvious.
That said, he’s done some pretty ok things in office. He’s just also done some pretty horrible things. Net net, I think it’s been mediocre.
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It will be hard to make the people in power give us the tools to take away their power.
Strikes, occupations and uhm very persuasive in person arguments are some of the things that have worked historically.
Bringing a Constitution and Guillotine did work out in the end for the Danish worker’s movement of 1848, when the king conceded. A violent uprising was averted.
whats your measuring stick? mine is other presidents and by that he is near the top for me.
Vote Nader
If you think two party system suck, just don’t hope for a multiparty system. Those suck even more. You never know which idiot will end up building a coalition and coming to power.
yeah I don’t see much issue in that given the idiots we get now. At least the others have to juggle their coalition and are subject to no confidence votes and the opposition has a shadow cabinet ready to go.
The two party system also juggles coalitions, but we know them most popularly as voting blocks in the general population or caucuses in the parties. This is one of the reasons Sinema and Manchin held so much power from '20-'22. Our caucuses and voting blocks don’t always give power to individuals, but mostly to agendas.
This is a lie.
Could you point to an example of a multi party democracy that produced something as bad as trump? I’m not aware of any, but I’m not well versed.
None of them - that weren’t from the largest party.
Basically, they got the same as first past the post Trump, but had to bring along less shit parties along instead of being a political mono-culture like FPTP creates. So even at their worst, they’re still better.
Netanyahu
Weimar Germany is the most obvious one.
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What’s the point of voting if there’s no good candidates?
Everyone has to either eat poop or glass. It’s going to suck either way but one way is going to significantly suck more than the other. Guess what? There’s a vote tomorrow and if you don’t vote then you might have to eat the worst one. Do you just not vote and prove a point to your non-existent audience or vote for the lesser of two evils?
Voting for the lesser evil allows us opportunity to make real change at the community level. You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be easier with fascist in charge do you? (And yours is an honest question and you are organizing right? You’re not just spreading doom and making things worse?) You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be more successful with fascists in charge do you? Because while it might be true, this is called “accelerationism”, which is an extremely risky position.
Those willing to risk the lives of minorities to make a point often appear to others with a more rational position to be privileged.
Because bipartisan is about voting for the lesser evil to ruin your life. Being complacent just relinquishes to an assurance it will be the shittiest because the bigger voting population are looking for the easiest way to fuck you up. Voting is that easy way for them. They don’t even care that they will be fucked over by it too. They just can’t stand someone out there will have sex with someone they did not approve of and apparently this is more important to them than accessible healthcare or slowing climate change.