Then again, Valve gets 30% to 20% of the benefits from all sales from their platform. It’s easier to be generous when everyone has to pay you to make cash.
This.
Valve doesn’t release games, it releases ads for Steam.
Which is fine. It’s great. Makes for great, cheap products and long-term strategies that aren’t trying to shake all the money off of you.
But that’s the end goal, still.
As a friendly reminder, Valve also universalized DRM, invented multiple new types of microtransactions and actually kinda invented NFTs for a little bit.
Invented the loot box y’all love so much. Tried to invent paid mods. Valve is still a Corpo and corpos gonna corpos
Playing a touch of devils advocate here but, how are patreon only mods any different than what valve was trying to do? It seems if mod makers wanna get paid for their work they should be able to monetize it in via any avenue that fits their fans abilities.
I’ve never heard of patreon only mods, tell me more
Honestly I’ll defend TF2 loot boxes til I die. There are valid complaints as far as casual gamers go but as someone who played the game for thousands of hours the cosmetic system added a lot of longevity to the game. It was a fun ecosystem to engage with and compared to modern games where you spend $15-20 on a single cosmetic item it was an absolute bargain. If you got tired of an item you could trade it for something else too.
Idk maybe I just got indoctrinated but I have so many positive memories of that game and interacting with the cosmetic system. These days every game you play is shoving their store front in your face. Every cosmetic is $20 and if you don’t buy it now it’s lost forever. Don’t want to spend money? Ok here’s an “event” where you need to play the game 2 hours a day for a week to unlock some meh items and if you don’t then fuck you those items are gone forever.
Sorry I’m ranting.
I actually agree that loot boxes aren’t intrinsically bad.
I mean, I was buying Magic the Gathering cards before anybody got mad at making blind purchases. The entire field is called Gacha because it’s modelled on analogue equivalents people don’t mind at all.
But that’s not what the community will tell you. Loot boxes are THE problem, if you ask this in a different context. Fundamentally predatory.
Unless you bring it up in this, and only this context. When Valve does it it’s fine. Never mind that they had and actual gambling problem around their retradeable cosmetic loot box drops. Or that their implementation is indistinguishable from others. Or that they have a pattern of innovating in the monetization space not just with loot boxes but with battlepasses, cosmetics and other stuff people claim to not like when other people do it.
The shocker isn’t the actual business practices, it’s the realization that you can get so good at PR that you can’t just get away with it, but have the exact same people that are out there asking for the government to intervene to stop those actively defend you against the mere suggestion that your business model is your actual business model.
Look, I was out there during the big loot box controversies that there were babies going out with thtat bathwater. I like me some Hearthstone and CCGs and other games that do those things. I like a bunch of free to play things. Got a TON of crap every time I even dared to float that online. UNLESS it comes up in a conversation about Valve. Then I get crap flung in the opposite direction.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t like them, I’m saying that brief “maybe I’m indoctrinated” moment of realization should make you take a minute and reassess your relationships with brands and corporations. We are all subject to PR influence.
Your argument rests on the claim that Valve’s implementation of these practices is indistinguishable from hated industry standards, but I disagree.
The “hated industry standards” are in many cases directly copied from the Valve implementations that predate them, so… yeah.
I mean, I haven’t played CS2 yet, and definitely haven’t played CS:GO in a while, but I may need you to point me at the timecode in this video where the superior free-range loot boxes are way better than in, say, Call of Duty, because I’m not sure I caught it the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGY6RGPCnY
And again, I’m not against these on principle. I think unboxing videos are a bit weird and I don’t see the appeal of opening tons of boxes in one sitting in real life, either… but this is the exact same implementation being criticized elsewhere.
Agreed. It sounds weird saying, but I feel that Valve did these things right or at least fixed them quickly thereafter. I’ve never felt any sense of pay-to-win or being left out playing TF2. Quite the opposite. I’d get the new items quick enough, and if there was anything in there articular I’d want then there was a robust market willing to make it happen for cheaper than I thought. And “cheaper” referring to in-game items.
Uh, paid mods were around in the 90s. Probably earlier but that’s what I can testify to.
DOTA 2, Counter-Strike 2, TF 2 are all maintained and get updates or total overhauls.
What’s their opinion on NFTs now?
That was slightly facetious. I just spent the entirety of the NFT bubble reminding people that tradeable tokens attached to JPGs is something that Valve invented to do with their dumb trading cards when they introduced those and we all saw in real time that all of them trend to zero value immediately.
I kept asking cryptobros to explain why their new tokenized JPGs were gonna behave any differently and it turns out there really wasn’t a particularly good answer to that one.
For the record, those get updated and get total overhauls because they are driven by cosmetics MTX and/or battlepasses, both of which Valve straight-up invented in their modern form.
So I guess yeah, they either make cutting edge innovations in monetization design for games-as-service things or they put out ads for Steam. I think the larger point holds.
I don’t understand your point. It’s bad that they give out free games and constantly update them because they make money on cosmetics? That’s somehow worse or as bad as companies that make the same game every year, charge an arm and a leg for it and then have micro transactions on top of it? Or they’re bad because they innovate and then other companies take their ideas and make them shittier? What’s your point, exactly?
No, they don’t make them shittier. My point is that they’re in it for the money, the money just flows in different ways. Their battlepasses weren’t any better or worse than anybody else’s, and neither are their cosmetics.
They just get a pass because their brand is rock solid and they run very quiet and very cheap with a very long term view enabled by being a private company. That’s not good or bad, it’s a corporation out to make corporation things and doing them very well.
Their cosmetics are miles better because you can resell them on a market that they maintain. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
No dog, you just really like the thing they’re talking about and it’s coloring your reaction. The points they’re making are actually very reasonable, but your responses read like they’re just criticizing Valve as a matter of opinion rather than practice.
I think you’re missing the principle. They could still charge for it, they simply won’t. Think of it this way, if it was EA in that situation would they give it away for free? Somehow I doubt it because EA does things for profit. This is a potential avenue for profit and which means not asking money for it would go against the goal of EA.
Yeah, this is cool and all, but it’s like Epic posting a game for free, which they do every week or so. People still complain about Epic being greedy or whatever though. I like the products Valve makes, but this isn’t particularly amazing, just fairly nice to have.
Epic paid people for exclusivity in an attempt to force the customer to use its shitty platform. The free games are just bribes to try to get us to use it. And it’s still not working very well for them.
Nobody would have complained (well ok, some would have, but few) if they just tried to make a better store than steam and get people to use it that way.
They could still do the free games as a bribe, to get people to check out the store, but the store would actually need to not be garbage. The exclusivity payments really rankled people though.
I bought one timed exclusive on Epic (Stranger of Paradise), it left the entire redundant download behind without moving it and devoured 220 GB of my SSD in the process, and I decided I never wanted to use the Epic store again.
I’d love to move to GOG, but then I’d have to go through Lutris, which is currently in the process of crashing constantly for reasons the devs don’t fully understand, so RIP to that I guess.
Doesn’t change that it’s a lot lol they’re also basically “the industry”
Well, not every company is shitting money like Valve.
They can afford to do this because of their technical monopoly.
Blizzard, Bethesda, Epic, EA and many others have more money than Valve. So what’s their excuse for not giving free games? Hell EA earned on micro-transactions for FIFA more than GDP of some countries.
Activision Blizzard annual net income for 2022 was $1.513B
In fiscal year 2022, EA posted GAAP net revenue of approximately $7 billion
Epic Games revenue is $5.76 billion according to figures reported in 2021
Valve generated around USD13 billion in total revenue in 2022
Also,
So what’s their excuse for not giving free games?
Did you really ask this after including Epic?
But these comparisons are ridiculous anyway. Neither of these companies are your friends, and trying to understand their behavior in terms of anything other than profit-seeking is only going to lead to you feeling betrayed. Gamers’ obsession with defending Steam is so ridiculous that no one ever disputes the idea that Apple and Google are being abusive with their store policies, but calling out Steam for doing the exact same always brings dozens of people out of the woods who think it’s a controversial claim.
You’re aware that Revenue and Net Revenue is not the same right?
I mean sure, but this is a great showcase of Source Engine 2 which is a product they will be selling
Honest to god I don’t remember the last valve game I bought. CSGO 10+ years ago probably.
I would say it is great showcase of their new map compilers, but anyway
And yet there are companies like Bethesda that have re-released games dozens of times for full price.
I mean don’t get me wrong, I am all for Valve’s overall values compared to EA, Sony, Microsoft, Bethesda, etc. glad they’re staying private.
Adding a couple of maps to a 25 year old game isn’t a remaster. Anyone here play Black Mesa? Now THAT’s how you do a remaster.
That’s a remake, not a remaster.
Yes, I suppose you are correct.
I know the documentary and the fact that game is free for now, but I am completelly out of the loop of what changed.
Did Valve upgraded graphics? Added new maps? I mean - for single player of original game? Someone please advise :)
they added a short bonus campaing for single player that was formaly on a demo disc that got lost to times. they added 4 new multiplayer maps they fixed graphic bugs and added widescreen support they dramatically improved controler support
so nothing game changing but nice nontheless
oh and you can now invite friends through steam so they don’t have to manually search the server you are on
I can’t even figure out what game you’re all talking about.
- Game: Half Life 1
- Get it here (currently free): https://store.steampowered.com/app/70/HalfLife/
- Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZ3HzvFEto
They for sure updated rad(or whatever algo they are using now)
Tony Hawk, anyone? Remaster old game, then make it require a server ping to guarantee it won’t work in the future when they decide to stop supporting it.
I’ve been playing TH 1+2 offline with no connection for the past year. What are you talking about?
It hasn’t even been out for a year… What’re you talking about?
It was released for PlayStation 4, Windows, and Xbox One on September 4, 2020.
- It’s been out since 2020.
- It does Not require an online connection to play.
That’s what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about the only platform that matters: Steam
You are an absolute moron
Hey let’s keep it chill.
Yes. Let’s let people flat out lie about something.
That’s ok, right?
Well that was unnecessary
You making up complete nonsense is unnecessary
Best remake was AoE2 imo, the price is completely justified.
If only Valve could learn to count to three they’d be the perfect game studio.
they already did! the steamdeck was released with steam os 3.0 (in the meantime they reached 3.5)
Just few weeks ago everyone complaining about CS2
Dead space remake was great, wasnt it?
Wow, I have been away and I did NOT anticipate such a interest in this topic by you guys!
They can do that because you pay them when you buy other game remasters.
yes but so do other huge game companies on cosmetics, in game items, other spin offs. I agree it’s not as easy but right now even doing this is unusual for most companies.
Very few game companies actually make a lot of money from cosmetics and ingame items. Most don’t.
It’s also stupid to think companies should do things for free. That’s not the world we live in. It’s an exception
Cosmetics and in-game items (microtransactions) are how games make money hand-over-fist.
What world do you live in?
I just did a minimal amount of googling and this is absolutely not true. Micro transactions have outpaced full game sales by almost 3:1. The entire model of free to play games relies on microtransactions. The biggest games in the world right now are f2p games or paid games with f2p models. I dunno where you’re getting your info from, ancedotally, I’m sure, and maybe you just don’t play games like that… But the rest of the casual game player population absolutely does.
Very few game companies actually make a lot of money from cosmetics and ingame items. Most don’t.
The companies doing these full price remasters 100% are the ones making millions from cosmetics.
That first point is not true at all. There are entire games built around the paid cosmetics. League of Legends and everyone who follows that model for example. There are more than a few, but you’re right on the second point. I mean it’s not nice to call people stupid, but I suppose that’s not what we’re discussing.
