• LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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      Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

      Do you shoot back or do you sit around like the cops did and wait till the killer gets bored, runs out of ammo, or runs out of victims.

      Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th.

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        Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

        Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case.

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          Look, we all know that if Israel wanted to kill two million people in Gaza, no one in the world could stop them. Not saying it’s okay that even 0.5% have been killed because that is still a horrifying number. But the idea that they are indiscriminately blowing up every single building is just theatre of the absurd.

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            Looking at the demographics of the casualties, what suggests the IDF is targeting Hamas in any meaningful way? They’re pretty squarely in line with the Palestinian population broadly - that certainly suggests the killing is indiscriminate to me.

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            That’s probably only because they want to move in, so they can’t wreck the place too bad.

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            The arrogance is amazing.

            That tiny country could be destroyed by a brisk wind and two battles with bad luck.

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        The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn’t have to worry about the threat of retribution?

        Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils.

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            Answer the question. How many Israeli’s have died since October 7th from rocket attacks? Making unsubstantiated claims to show how dangerous the rockets are isn’t evidence of anything.

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              The claims are substantiated. See the link in my response.

              The weapon was a misfired Hamas rocket.

              The 100+ victims were Palestinians who were at the hospital (parking lot I believe?)

              Those same rockets are being fired into Israel (Nearly or over) 10,000 since the conflict began.

              Hamas isn’t trying to tickle Israelis with those rockets. See the effect one of those rockets has when they hit a populated area.

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                  Because the goalpost is “the rockets aren’t a threat”.

                  The same Hamas rocket misfiring and striking in Gaza can kill over a hundred people (500 people when they thought it was an IDF bomb).

                  10,000 rockets with that potential for death and destruction have been fired into Israel by Hamas.

                  The reason a Hamas rocket kills more in Gaza than it does in Israel is that Israel has bomb shelters for its civilians whereas in Gaza Hamas has made it clear that the tunnels and shelters are for Hamas.

                  Your new goalpost seems to be “Israelis are good at seeking shelter and avoiding Hamas rockets, therefore the rockets aren’t a threat.”

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                    You just brought up unsubstantiated claims and then bring up the Gaza “misfire” that basically only the US and Israel say was a misfire.

                    Perhaps though those are unsubstantiated isreali claims as well. And more than 10000 bombs have been dropped on civilian targets by Israel from the 7th to the 1st that Israel are winning to admit to.

                    Gaza is not allowed bomb shelters. The ones under al shifa that isrealis built were sealed specifically so they couldn’t be used as bomb shelters.

                    I don’t think that’s what they’re saying.

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                    You’re lying now just to avoid answering the question. The first person who replied to you said that the rockets were not the threat you were making them out to be. Get over being wrong and stop defending war crimes.

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        Just look up how many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 30 years. Israel is the bad guy here, it’s not debatable.

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          the bad guy

          Why does there have to be a singular “the” bad guy?

          And why the need to lump a huge group together to lay that blame?

          The Israeli government and Hamas both share the blame for all of this, among others.

          As is too common in the world, while a relatively small group deserves the blame, many more, on both sides, suffer the consequences.

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            Because one side is attempting genocide. That makes them the bad guy, regardless of whatever they claim Hamas did to them. Claiming Hamas is as bad as the Israeli government is the same as claiming the Jews were equally at fault with the Nazis.

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              Are you aware that Hamas’s charter has the explicit objective of the complete eradication of the Israeli state? The PLO is also not very different in this aspect. So where do you get this “one side is attempting genocide” talking point from?

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                Yeah, groups tend to want an end to the group genociding them. I get it from the actual facts, such as the 10 to 1 discrepancy in palestinian deaths vs Israeli.

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                That’s such a disingenuous comparison. The end of the Israeli state means an end to the apartheid system upon which the state is built. It does not mean the genocide of Israeli civilians. Claiming otherwise is just propaganda meant to justify Israel’s own campaign of ethnic cleansing.

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                  Wait a minute. You think Hamas’s charter is about the end of the Israeli statehood ad in the country? They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence. Holy shit. You haven’t read anything have you?

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                    They are explicitly talking about unaliving every Jew in existence.

                    If that’s the case and not just a blatant lie, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind quoting where in their charter they explicitly say that.

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              Hamas’s goal is explicitly to genocide Israel. They just don’t have the resources.

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                Where have they ever claimed to want to genocide Israeli people? That’s just a lie Zionist use to justify their own atrocities. It has no basis in fact.

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          No but you see, if you’re homeless and the authorities tell you to take shelter in my house, and then you start killing my family members to try and take over the house… if I defend my house… I’m the bad guy bc you where homeless before.

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        Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th.

        Now, if only both parties would just cease firing for a moment. Has anyone thought of that? And if: has any governmet refused to offer/accept such ceasing of firing? /s

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          If you think you can get Hamas, an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli, to agree to an abide by a cease fire, go for it. Their current track record speaks volumes to the contrary

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            1. Good job dehumanizing “the enemy”. That way, you can legitimize any war crime. If you think that Hamas is such a non-human entity, why are the hostages not already considered dead?

            an organization who states goal is to kill every Israeli

            [Citation needed]

            To be clear: I’m definetly not rooting for the authoritarian regime of Hamas. Their leaders should drown in the blood they spilled.