This is just Gish gallop. Please shut up. If you use your style of rhetoric, wind, solar and even battery manufacturing are just a scam by the oil companies. This is pure gibberish. Volume of bullshit doesn’t make for a coherent argument.
@Hypx@Baku@AllNewTypeFace@zurohki I’m seeing some big claims from you that “nearly all rhetoric against hydrogen is just some kind of corporate propaganda, if not from the battery industry then it is from the petroleum industry.”
I’m seeing strawman arguments and deflections from you.
But nothing to back up your claims.
You claimed: “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Do you have anything you can link to back up your assertion?
A link to an article?
Anything?
You claimed: “There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
I’ve provided you with multiple examples of where the Australian gas industry has cited hydrogen as a reason to delay or avoid a switch away from gas.
You don’t have to take my word for it. I’ve provided links.
Do you have anything you can link to back up your assertion?
A link to a news article?
Some research?
An academic paper?
Anything at all?
You claim: “You are arguing a conspiracy theory where if the fossil fuel industry pursues a green energy technology, it automatically means it is a scam.”
That’s clearly not what I, or anyone else in this thread, is arguing.
Once again, here’s my position on hydrogen:
"Green hydrogen (produced using renewable power) has its place, especially in industrial processes, in agriculture, in aviation, etc.
"But it has its limits. And there are use cases where renewables with local battery, grid scale battery, or other energy storage solutions (eg grid-scale pumped hydro) are a better option.
“Especially if the hydrogen in question is grey or brown hydrogen, as per the Victorian bus trial.”
It seems to me you’re constructing strawman arguments and deflections, because you don’t have a strong counter-argument.
Which brings us back to the point you’re deflecting from…
You claim “nearly all rhetoric against hydrogen is just some kind of corporate propaganda, if not from the battery industry then it is from the petroleum industry.”
If you have some evidence of that, I’d love to see it.
It literally takes one company to serious invest in green hydrogen as an environmentally friendly solution to debunk your entire conspiracy theory. Which obvious has been proven long ago.
Again, you’re using Gish gallop. It’s utter bullshit. It’s not even worth anyone’s time to try an debunk. The better move is to flag you as a corporate stooge and a dishonest liar and ignore you from the rest of the conversation.
@Hypx@Baku@AllNewTypeFace@zurohki “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Citation needed.
“There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
The very article is about powering a bus with hydrogen. It is both mass transit and green.
The problem is that you are so deep in your brainwashing that it is impossible to hold a conversation with you. You are pretty much a climate change denier. If you haven’t realized that yet, then you’re too stupid to realize that you’re one of them.
@Hypx@Baku@AllNewTypeFace@zurohki Still no link to back up your claim that: “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Still no link to back up your claim that: “There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
More ad hominem attacks, no moreflections, still no links to any source to back up those two claims.
You do have some source to back up those two claims, right?
Again, electric buses already exist. They’re called trolleybuses. It’s pretty obvious that battery powered buses are madness and are a way of reinventing the wheel. And raging against hydrogen powered buses is just part of the BEV propaganda mill. As if e-buses cannot exist without giant batteries.
Again, you’re the one spreading a conspiracy theory. You need to prove your case, not me. Which is pretty much impossible because it is so obviously bullshit.
@Hypx@Baku@AllNewTypeFace@zurohki And still no link to back up your claim that: “There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
Still no link to back up your claim that: “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Again, this is Gish gallop. You cannot bullshit your way out of this. Again, you’re being the brainwashed climate change denier who thinks expanding mass transit is somehow a conspiracy of the oil companies. No one has time nor patience to tell you down.
Ultimately, you’re just a piece of brainwashed scum. Seriously, fuck you.
This is just Gish gallop. Please shut up. If you use your style of rhetoric, wind, solar and even battery manufacturing are just a scam by the oil companies. This is pure gibberish. Volume of bullshit doesn’t make for a coherent argument.
@Hypx @Baku @AllNewTypeFace @zurohki I’m seeing some big claims from you that “nearly all rhetoric against hydrogen is just some kind of corporate propaganda, if not from the battery industry then it is from the petroleum industry.”
I’m seeing strawman arguments and deflections from you.
But nothing to back up your claims.
Do you have anything you can link to back up your assertion?
A link to an article?
Anything?
I’ve provided you with multiple examples of where the Australian gas industry has cited hydrogen as a reason to delay or avoid a switch away from gas.
You don’t have to take my word for it. I’ve provided links.
Do you have anything you can link to back up your assertion?
A link to a news article?
Some research?
An academic paper?
Anything at all?
That’s clearly not what I, or anyone else in this thread, is arguing.
Once again, here’s my position on hydrogen:
"Green hydrogen (produced using renewable power) has its place, especially in industrial processes, in agriculture, in aviation, etc.
"But it has its limits. And there are use cases where renewables with local battery, grid scale battery, or other energy storage solutions (eg grid-scale pumped hydro) are a better option.
“Especially if the hydrogen in question is grey or brown hydrogen, as per the Victorian bus trial.”
It seems to me you’re constructing strawman arguments and deflections, because you don’t have a strong counter-argument.
Which brings us back to the point you’re deflecting from…
If you have some evidence of that, I’d love to see it.
A link to a news article?
Some research?
An academic paper?
Anything at all?
It literally takes one company to serious invest in green hydrogen as an environmentally friendly solution to debunk your entire conspiracy theory. Which obvious has been proven long ago.
Again, you’re using Gish gallop. It’s utter bullshit. It’s not even worth anyone’s time to try an debunk. The better move is to flag you as a corporate stooge and a dishonest liar and ignore you from the rest of the conversation.
@Hypx @Baku @AllNewTypeFace @zurohki “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Citation needed.
“There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
Citation needed.
And again.
Do you have anything to back up your core claims?
Link please.
The very article is about powering a bus with hydrogen. It is both mass transit and green.
The problem is that you are so deep in your brainwashing that it is impossible to hold a conversation with you. You are pretty much a climate change denier. If you haven’t realized that yet, then you’re too stupid to realize that you’re one of them.
@Hypx @Baku @AllNewTypeFace @zurohki Still no link to back up your claim that: “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
Still no link to back up your claim that: “There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
More ad hominem attacks, no moreflections, still no links to any source to back up those two claims.
You do have some source to back up those two claims, right?
Again, electric buses already exist. They’re called trolleybuses. It’s pretty obvious that battery powered buses are madness and are a way of reinventing the wheel. And raging against hydrogen powered buses is just part of the BEV propaganda mill. As if e-buses cannot exist without giant batteries.
Again, you’re the one spreading a conspiracy theory. You need to prove your case, not me. Which is pretty much impossible because it is so obviously bullshit.
@Hypx @Baku @AllNewTypeFace @zurohki And still no link to back up your claim that: “There is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen.”
Still no link to back up your claim that: “The only people saying this are battery investors. They merely want to replace our dependency on fossil fuels with a dependency on their batteries. That is the real scam.”
I’ve cited multiple direct examples of why you claim that “there is almost zero interest from the fossil fuel industry for hydrogen” is false here: https://aus.social/@ajsadauskas/111475696158764155
And here: https://aus.social/@ajsadauskas/111476477510088172
All you have to do to move the conversation along is to provide a link to back up these two claims of yours.
I’m seeing lots of obfuscation, and no sources.
It should be simple to do.
So where’s your link?
Again, this is Gish gallop. You cannot bullshit your way out of this. Again, you’re being the brainwashed climate change denier who thinks expanding mass transit is somehow a conspiracy of the oil companies. No one has time nor patience to tell you down.
Ultimately, you’re just a piece of brainwashed scum. Seriously, fuck you.