By that same logic, nobody can be a software developer because in order to develop a software project involving 100 people, one needs HR, managers, QA/testing, SREs, sysadmins, architects, finance, …
Nobody can be a brick layer either because in order to build the Burj Khalifa one needed architects, engineers, glaziers, plumbers, managers, secretaries, fork-lift drivers, truck drivers, etc.
Every team project has is multi-disciplinary. To claim one discipline doesn’t exist because in order to complete the project all disciplines are necessary, is willingful misrepresentation of facts.
No, you’ve reversed my logic. Everyone you named would be a software developer but there is only one team of software engineers. The entire point is that “game developer” isn’t a discipline on the team. It’s a member of the team. It’d be like arguing the term medical professional only means doctors.
It’d be like arguing the term medical professional only means doctors.
That makes more sense and I agree with it. The way you wrote it (or the way I interpreted it) was like “we’re all doctors because a hospital can’t run without the rest of its staff”. I still disagree that a level designer can be call themselves a game developer. That’d be like a nurse calling themselves a doctor.
A game developer is anyone on the team which creates the game. A level designer is a game developer. A game engineer is the term you are confusing it with. This is common because of the term Software Developer but the developer part of game developer comes from the creation/construction side. Like a property developer or community developer.
It’s not ignoring the meaning and even the term software developer doesn’t just mean “one who writes code.” Software developer also includes software designers, testers, and other facets of creating computer software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development#Workforce
I did not misread that. Someone or a company engaged in the software development process is a software developer. If the software development process includes these things then those taking part in the development process are called developers. The next line marks the confusion you see with the term developers. As in “Don’t call your engineers developers, call them these things.”
That said, the games industry is as such that everyone on the team is a game developer. GDC is a game developers conference yet they hold audio, art, design, and marketing talks. It’s a conference for game developers which includes all disciplines of game development. Everyone who goes to GDC is typically a game developer regardless if they work in art, engineering, design, or elsewhere.
Tons of people call anyone who works on a game a game developer, it’s a definition of the term Game Developer. If you can’t accept that then it’s cool, you simply just move on. You aren’t going to change my mind to attempt to alienate my fellow game developers from me.
By that same logic, nobody can be a software developer because in order to develop a software project involving 100 people, one needs HR, managers, QA/testing, SREs, sysadmins, architects, finance, …
Nobody can be a brick layer either because in order to build the Burj Khalifa one needed architects, engineers, glaziers, plumbers, managers, secretaries, fork-lift drivers, truck drivers, etc.
Every team project has is multi-disciplinary. To claim one discipline doesn’t exist because in order to complete the project all disciplines are necessary, is willingful misrepresentation of facts.
some electricians who work on office buildings are
kaijusgamedevs(without them, your in-game lamps wouldn’t work.)
No, you’ve reversed my logic. Everyone you named would be a software developer but there is only one team of software engineers. The entire point is that “game developer” isn’t a discipline on the team. It’s a member of the team. It’d be like arguing the term medical professional only means doctors.
That makes more sense and I agree with it. The way you wrote it (or the way I interpreted it) was like “we’re all doctors because a hospital can’t run without the rest of its staff”. I still disagree that a level designer can be call themselves a game developer. That’d be like a nurse calling themselves a doctor.
A game developer is anyone on the team which creates the game. A level designer is a game developer. A game engineer is the term you are confusing it with. This is common because of the term Software Developer but the developer part of game developer comes from the creation/construction side. Like a property developer or community developer.
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It’s not ignoring the meaning and even the term software developer doesn’t just mean “one who writes code.” Software developer also includes software designers, testers, and other facets of creating computer software. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development#Workforce
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I did not misread that. Someone or a company engaged in the software development process is a software developer. If the software development process includes these things then those taking part in the development process are called developers. The next line marks the confusion you see with the term developers. As in “Don’t call your engineers developers, call them these things.”
That said, the games industry is as such that everyone on the team is a game developer. GDC is a game developers conference yet they hold audio, art, design, and marketing talks. It’s a conference for game developers which includes all disciplines of game development. Everyone who goes to GDC is typically a game developer regardless if they work in art, engineering, design, or elsewhere.
Anyways, you are simply wrong, there are tons of articles, twitter threads, reddit posts, and etc that show https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/f71cx4/artists_are_devs_according_to_cig/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/comments/wz10zo/the_game_designer_is_not_a_developer/im00wcg/ https://twitter.com/mesetatron/status/1690867527864524800 https://twitter.com/freelancegames
Tons of people call anyone who works on a game a game developer, it’s a definition of the term Game Developer. If you can’t accept that then it’s cool, you simply just move on. You aren’t going to change my mind to attempt to alienate my fellow game developers from me.
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